【神三系列】如果印度和朝鲜开战,谁会赢?

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Who will win if India and North Korea go to war?

【神三系列】如果印度和朝鲜开战,谁会赢?



 
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Dan Kim, I know North Korean history
India would win in a fantasy world where it borders North Korea. It is clearly superior military power than North Korea or just about any other military for that matter. However, war is more than just how much punch you have. Logistics matter far more than raw strength when engaging nations thousands of kilometers away.

在一个与朝鲜接壤的幻想世界里,印度将获胜。就这点而言,它显然是比朝鲜或其他任何军队更强大的军事力量。然而,战争不仅仅是你有多大的打击能力。在与数千公里以外的国家交战时,后勤的重要性远远大于原始实力。

In reality, neither can hope to achieve victory - let’s just forget North Korea’s probability of victory - it just ain’t going to happen unless we envision a scenario where disgruntled Indians help North Korea out. Now, Indian military is clearly superior to the North Korean military - there’s no question, but the reality is that India lacks the necessary power projection to reach and invade North Korea. Any realistic invasion of North Korea would require deployment of millions of troops and barring South Korea or China helping to stage Indian troops at the border, India will have to prepare an amphibious assault on North Korea that would exceed that of Normandy or Inchon landing in size and complexity. India just doesn’t have that sort of capability at the moment.

实际上,谁也不能指望取得胜利--让我们忘记朝鲜获胜的可能性--除非我们设想一个让心怀不满的印度人帮助朝鲜走出困境的场景,否则这一切都不会发生。现在,印度军队显然优于朝鲜军队--毫无疑问,但事实是,印度缺乏必要的兵力投射,无法触及和入侵朝鲜。任何对朝鲜的实际入侵都需要部署数百万名士兵,除非韩国或中国帮助印度在边境部署印度军队。印度将不得不准备对朝鲜进行两栖攻击,其规模和复杂性将超过诺曼底或仁川登陆。印度目前还没有这种能力。

In fact, there are only four nations that are capable of bringing war to North Korea’s door step and take them out. China, Russia, South Korea, and the U.S. Of these, only the U.S. doesn’t border North Korea. This is ignoring the fact that North Korea has nukes and ICBMs now, latest of which likely has 10,000+km range. It’s never worth getting in a life or death war with a nuclear power - regardless of whether you have nukes of your own. It’s so not worth it.

事实上,只有四个国家有能力把战争带进朝鲜的大门,并将他们摧毁。中国、俄罗斯、韩国和美国。其中,只有美国不与朝鲜接壤。这还忽视了朝鲜现在拥有核武器和洲际弹道导弹的事实,其最近一次导弹试射可能有10000多公里的射程。无论你是否拥有自己的核武器,都不值得与有核国家进行生死战争。这太不值得了。

Samved Iyer
India, period.
Not only because India has more personnel, aircrafts, ICBMs or nuclear weapons or a nuclear triad, but also because India has a capacity to last longer in war.
You may speak of North Korea having a strong military with nearly 1 million infantry, 3500 battle tanks and 500 combat aircraft, (compared to India's 1.4 million infantry, 6500 battle tanks and 700 combat aircraft.
But North Korea’s equipment is obsolete. India has technology far superior to them.
North Korea’s economy is perhaps far worse than even Pakistan, whom we mention as a failing economy. It is reeling heavily under economic sanctions. It may be sanctioned further, since its recent nuclear tests concern even China, which allegedly supports it strongly.
Even if North Korea attacks India with China and Pakistan on its side, you will see the United States, Russia and maybe Israel, South Korea, Japan on India’s side. US because it had bitter enmity with North Korea. Although actually the opposite, US has a reason to consider it a threat to humanity itself!!
And Russia because it won't tolerate nonsense from adrenaline-high kiddos like Kim-Jong-Un, trying to attack its all-weather ally India.
And since this war will be a large-scale one, Government of India may decide to conscript, making numbers on our side soar by a terribly large margin. Note that this will be done in advance, so every soldier will have appreciable weapons by the time the war actually starts, because there is no way in which North Korea can suddenly reach India's borders under the world's noses. Several countries keep it under close surveillance, so India will be informed a lot in advance.

不用说,肯定是印度。

不仅因为印度有更多的人员、飞机、洲际弹道导弹、核武器或核三位一体,也因为在战争中印度的能力持续时间更长。
你可能会说,朝鲜拥有强大的军事力量,拥有近100万步兵、3500架战斗坦克和500架作战飞机(相比之下,印度有140万步兵、6500辆战斗坦克和700架战斗机)。
但是朝鲜的设备已经过时了。印度的技术远比印度先进。
朝鲜的经济可能比巴基斯坦还要糟糕,我们说巴基斯坦是一个经济衰退的国家。它在经济制裁下举步维艰。它可能会得到进一步的制裁,因为它最近的核试验甚至涉及到中国,据称中国强烈支持它。

即使朝鲜攻击印度,中国和巴基斯坦站在朝鲜一边,你也会看到美国、俄罗斯,也许还有以色列、韩国、日本都会站在印度这边。

美国因为它与朝鲜有敌意。尽管事实恰恰相反【注:指朝鲜对美国敌意】,我们有理由认为这是对人类自身的威胁!!
而俄罗斯因为它不会容忍像金正恩这样的肾上腺素高的儿童胡言乱语,试图攻击其全天候的盟友印度。

由于这场战争将是一场大规模的战争,印度政府可能会决定征兵,使我们这边的人数大幅增加。请注意,这将提前完成,所以在战争开始的时候,每个士兵都有可观的武器,因为朝鲜没有办法在世界的眼皮子底下突然到达印度的边界,一些国家将其置于严密监视之下,因此印度将会提前得到通知。

The war will be catastrophic, with shockingly large numbers and disastrous weapons involved, but there will be a decisive win for India. With two largest world powers on your side, with superior technology, better intelligence sharing, experience of India's soldiers in Kashmir etc as main advantages, India is likely to win. Plus, India's Armed Forces have experience of combat with US Armed Forces and Russian Armed Forces, too. Cooperation will be easier.
North Korea will likely be decimated and heavily bombed. Pakistan may not be totally destroyed, but its economy will be pushed back by five decades if it participates in war just because China may do so. India’s economy will suffer but chances of recovery are high.
Speaking of China, their military is more focussed on internal security rather rhan border security, because they want to prevent a possible internal rebellion. That is why they have armed police and may involve their military, too.
Even if China decides to conscript its entire population, it will take a lot of time. India will be able to conscript sufficiently to defend itself in a comparatively shorter period of time. This is because it is unlikely that North Korea will inform China that it is going for a war against India, so unless the war begins, China would really have no idea.

这场战争将是灾难性的,伴随着惊人的数量和灾难性的武器,但是印度将会取得决定性的胜利。世界上最大的两个大国站在印度这边,拥有先进的技术、更好的情报共享、印度士兵在克什米尔的经验等优势,印度很有可能获胜。此外,印度武装部队与美国武装部队和俄罗斯武装部队有过战斗经验。合作会更容易。

朝鲜很可能会被摧毁,并遭到严重轰炸。巴基斯坦可能不会完全被摧毁,但如果它参与战争(因为中国也可能参战)它的经济将倒退50年。印度经济将受到影响,但复苏的可能性很高。

说到中国,他们的军队更关注内部安全,而不是边境安全,因为他们要防止可能发生的内部叛乱。这就是为什么他们拥有武装警察,也可能涉及他们的军队。

即使中国决定征召全部人口,也要花很多时间。在相对较短的时间内,印度将能够充分征召人员来保卫自己。这是因为朝鲜不太可能通知中国,它将发动一场针对印度的战争,所以除非战争开始,否则中国真的不会不知道。

Let us even assume that China knows this in advance. But even if it conscripts im advance, we would have US and Russia on our side. Add to that superior technology, intelligence sharing and importantly, a lot of experience in fighting and cooperation.
US has so many allies. High chances that they pump in more soldiers on India’s side.
And if it happens at borders, then little Nepal will be a war-zone!!
It is also possible, that India, being informed a lot in advance about North Korea’s intentions, will send its packed fighter planes (most likely SU-30s) to bomb it heavily with BrahMos, one of the top missiles in the world.
The Indian Air Force is far superior to Korea's in terms of combat capability. Indian SU-30s cannot be matched by Korea. If we use BrahMos, then essentially everything within its range will be dust.
They have strong air defence systems, but our combined power will be too strong for their defences to last.
A world-war level catastrophe would be obvious in such a condition.

我们甚至可以假设中国事先就知道这一点,但即使它提前征召,我们也会有美国和俄罗斯站在我们这边。此外,还有先进的技术,情报共享,更重要的是,在战斗和合作方面有很多经验。

美国有那么多盟友。他们很有可能注入更多的士兵到印度一边。
如果它发生在边境,那么小小的尼泊尔将成为一个战区!!
同样有可能的是,印度事先被告知朝鲜的意图,然后派遣其满载战斗机(最有可能是苏-30)用世界上最顶尖的导弹之一布拉莫斯导弹对其进行猛烈轰炸。
印度空军在作战能力上远远优于朝鲜。印度的苏-30是朝鲜无法比拟的。如果我们使用布拉莫斯,那么它射程范围内的一切本质上都是尘埃。
他们有强大的防空系统,但我们的联合力量非常强大,以致于他们的防御能力持续不了多久。
在这种情况下,一场世界大战级的灾难是显而易见的。

EDIT: Two months ago, under UN Resolution, India imposed sanctions against North Korea, banning all trade we had with them. It is an attempt to hit their constant nuclear and ICBM tests.

编辑:
两个月前,根据联合国的决议,印度对朝鲜实施了制裁,禁止与他们进行贸易往来。这是一次打击他们不断进行的核试验和洲际弹道导弹试验的尝试。

Abhijith Reddy Konda, Interested in world politics, lives in india 对世界政治感兴趣,生活在印度
India nor Korea has no intension of making wars with each other, besides north Korea nuclear programmes, India is far better, if north Korea is on war with India then America will be surely helping in this matter but cannot underestimate the treacherous country like north Korea it got the support of China.
Anyway as India is supported by big nations, China and other nations which are against India has to withdraw support to north Korea.

印度和朝鲜之间没有战争的意图,除了朝鲜的核计划,印度远胜于朝鲜。如果朝鲜与印度交战,那么美国肯定会在这件事上有所帮助,但不能低估这个像朝鲜这样的危险国家,它会得到中国的支持。
无论如何,由于印度得到大国的支持,中国和其他反对印度的国家不得不撤回对朝鲜的支持。

Dhananjay Soman
Okay so will try and answer this assuming both countries are on the same turf and no nuclear weapons involved.

OK,假设两个国家都在同一区域,并且没有核武器,让我们试着回答这个问题。

1. North Korea would obviously attack first causing acceptable casualties on Indian side prompting a military retaliation from India. Since no cities are located within close artillery range from Indian border so the concept of a Seoul blackmail is absent.

1、朝鲜显然会首先发动袭击,造成印度方面可接受的伤亡,促使印度进行军事报复。因为没有哪个印度边境附近的城市位于的火炮射程之内,所以像讹诈首尔这样的概念是不存在。

2.IAF would definately come into the scenario beating the tattered NKAF to pulp and then would head for precision aerial bombing of NKs arty positions.

2、印度空军肯定会在这个场景中击败破烂不堪的朝鲜空军,然后进行精准的空中轰炸,对朝鲜的军事据点进行轰炸。

3. Indian T90 tanks would smash all or most of NKs armour and would dominate the battlefield under support from LCH Rudra with its Helina ATGM.

3、印度T90坦克将摧毁所有或大部分的朝鲜装甲部队,并将在LCH Rudra的Helina反坦克导弹(ATGM)支持下,在战场上占据主导地位。

4. INDIAN NAVY would had already obliterated all or most of NK Navy spare a few coastal defence craft. and would had carried out sorties against supply and reinforcement, fuel storage installations causing them to burn for days.

4、印度海军将摧毁全部或大部分仅剩几艘海岸防御艇的朝鲜海军。也会对供给进行各种打击,燃料储存设施会让他们烧上好几天。

5. Indian observation aircrafts, drones and satellites by then would had a clear view of entire picture and strategically deploy artillerh, multiple launch rocket systems, armour brigades and infantry supported by airpower and cruise missiles to take care of enemy infantry.

5、到那时,印度的侦察飞机、无人机和卫星可以清晰地看到整个战场,有战略部署、多发射火箭系统、装甲旅和由空中力量和巡航导弹支持的印度步兵会好好教训教训敌军步兵。

It would be a hell hole scenario with massive casualties on Korean side and an undisputed Indian victory.
This is just a work of fiction and scenario could also turn into something like Vietnam or Afghanistan for India depending on the determination of enemy.

这将是一个地狱般的场景,朝鲜方面会有大量人员伤亡,而印度将取得无可争议的胜利。
这只是一部虚构的作品,对印度来说,场景也可能会变成像越南或阿富汗那样的战争,这取决于敌人的决心。

Saradindu Sengupta, Computer Science Grad Student at IIITM-K  印度国际信息学院计算机科学研究生
Since it is an hypothetical question and numbers dont matter specially in wars the answer will be a bit exceptional.
It is the man behind the machine who wins the war
India and North Korea are not going to any war. India is NK one of the primary trade partners. India have given enough aid, worth of billions to the NK disaster fund. Plus, NK is in a image building spree, reaching out to countries for partnerships, hoping to adopt a Vietnamese mantra to win US support but that is very unlikely going to happen.
If they do get in a war, both are Nuclear capable but India obviously has more yield. Plus NK has no ICBM or that kind of payload deliver capacity.
India on the other hand has long range missile though not ICBM and can launch from three area, a nuclear triad. Plus Delhi, Mumbai are going to be protected anti missile tech like s400 of the Russians or may be iron dome.
Plus there are huge amounts of points like economy, world support, regional operators, operation capabilities, foreign influence and many that India will definitely win.
But if NK is involved so is Pakistan (they are best nuclear pals, thank to China) and so is covertly China. That is a huge risk.
India has many things to loose, but NK has nothing. Their trades, economy is dead. You will get shot if you whisper against the leaders. It is already messed up. But India is on the verge of the rise. It is on the rising part of the graph. An war will definitely thwart that largest economy dream by many decades.
So ultimately it is India who will loose more even wining a war.
Lets not forget, it wont happen in real cause a war is not a thing that ia discussed over dinner.

因为这是一个假设的问题,而且数字在战争中并不特别重要,所以答案会有点特殊。
赢得战争的是机器背后的人。

印度和朝鲜不会进行任何战争。印度是朝鲜的主要贸易伙伴之一。印度给朝鲜提供了足够的援助,价值数十亿美元的NK灾难基金。另外,NK正在大举打造形象,与各国建立合作关系,希望采用越南的口号来赢得美国的支持,但这不太可能实现。

如果他们真的陷入战争,两国都有核能力,但印度显然有更多的产量。另外,NK没有洲际弹道导弹或这种有效载荷的运载能力。
另一方面,印度拥有远程导弹,虽然不是洲际弹道导弹,可以从三个区域【注:指海陆空三位一体】发射,核三位一体。再加上德里,孟买将会受到像俄罗斯s400那样的反导弹技术的保护,也可能是铁穹【注:以色列“铁穹”反火箭弹系统】。
此外,印度在经济、世界支持、地区运营商、运营能力、外国影响力等方面都有巨大的优势,印度肯定会赢。

但如果NK参与其中,巴基斯坦也会参与(他们是最好的核伙伴,感谢中国),中国也是如此。这是一个巨大的风险。
印度能输的东西很多,但朝鲜一无所有。他们的贸易,经济早已消亡。如果你小声议论领袖,你就会被枪毙。它已经搞砸了,但印度正处于上升的边缘,它处在图表的上升部分,一场战争肯定会让印度这个最大的经济梦想在几十年的时间里受挫。

因此,最终战争中失去更多的是印度。
让我们不要忘记,这不会发生在现实中,因为真正的战争不是一件在晚餐时讨论的事情。

Aratrik Tarafdar
Well in the practical world if North Korea go to war against India then America would support India with a dozen other nations. Korea would lose.
In the impractical world in case of a head to head contest India might as well win but WITH SEVERE LOSES WITH MANY CITIES FLATENED BECAUSE of Korean missile strikes. India's economy would collapse due to severe loss of life.

在现实世界中,如果朝鲜与印度开战,那么美国和其他十几个国家将支持印度,朝鲜会输。
在一个不现实的世界中,如果发生正面对决,印度可能也会赢,但由于朝鲜的导弹袭击,许多城市都因严重的损失而失去了发展,印度经济将因严重的生命损失而崩溃。

Michelle Gray, studied Politics & International Relations at Princeton University  在普林斯顿大学学习政治与国际关系

Really? Obviously an Indian victory.
你是说真的? 绝壁是印度赢

Sk Singhal, former Employee at Central PSU       Central PSU前雇员

Question seems to be illogical and it may never happen. If there is war between any other country and North Korea it may be with South Korea and NATO countries only Inder the leadership of usa. However india will Support usa and South Korea

这问题似乎不合逻辑,它可能永远不会发生。如果在其他国家和朝鲜之间爆发战争,也只会是朝鲜和韩国及美国的领导下的北约国家,然而,印度会支持美国和韩国。

 
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