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If the weakest nation today fought the strongest nation from 1,000 years ago in a war, who would win?


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Short answer- Modern nation wins 99% of the time.
The very long and detailed answer for the inquisitive folks-
This is a really interesting question. However, the question is also quite vague as it leaves the field open for a wide range of possibilities and outcomes.
I will divide my answer into several parts taking several different assumptions to cover a wide range of possible scenarios and outcomes. Hopefully, I would be able to cover most.


A rift in space and time opens up connecting a medi empire with a modern country.
The question calls for a war between two nations and not for a straight up pitched battle. Hence, it would be reasonable to consider the logistics of assembling your army too.


Medi opponent- Song Dynasty
The strongest opponent in the medi world in terms of both technology and manpower for our time travelers would probably be the Song dynasty of China which was far more advanced than any of the contemporaneous European, Indian or Middle eastern empires. It also had far more soldiers and could afford to fight on even after taking massive losses. This empire would be the ideal opponent for our Modern army.


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The Song Empire of China was one of the world's most powerful empires during the 11th century and had almost a million men in its army. It also had the most advanced weapons of the period. The Song army had gunpowder, simple flamethrowers, explosive grenades, firearms, cannons, rockets, repeating crossbows and land mines.
These were rudimentary weapons and were comparable at most to a 16th-century European army. However for their time, they were nothing less than, state-of-the-art.


Modern Opponent-
No modern army at all-
You would be pretty surprised to know that there are a lot of countries in the world with no army.
These countries are Costa Rica, Iceland, Mauritius, Monaco, Panama, Vanuatu and 20 others. However, these countries maintain paramilitary forces.
Now the countries are of two types islands and mainland countries. There are two places the rift can open.

现代的对手- - - - - -

1.Rift opens near the sea.
In this scenario, the rift opens on the sea connecting the Chinese mainland with a sea near the modern islands. The islands like Iceland and Mauritius can keep the Chinese ships at bay with their Coast guard vessels. Hence, the Song will not be able to assault these islands because their ships won't be able to reach the coast.


2. Rift opens on the mainland.
In this scenario, the rift will open connecting the Chinese and the modern country directly. In this case, the Chinese can assault these countries directly with land forces. However, the Chinese would first need to gather their forces. This will take time because China is a huge place and with medi era communications and transports, it will take a lot of time to field a large attacking force. It should take at least a month even with forced marches and peasant levies to collect a million men. The modern country can use this time wisely to prepare for combat.


The modern countries cannot fight directly with the Song as they lack artillery and armored vehicles. However, they can improvise in the time it takes for the Song to assemble. They can arm a few pickup trucks with machine guns at the back. The police could probably put up a good fight in the cities through guerilla warfare. In the meantime, normal manufacturing plants could be repurposed to churn out light mortars and other crude explosive weapons. They could make simple flamethrowers and attach them to heavy bulldozers to use as terrifying flame tanks. By the time the Song arrive, these modern countries would be ready to face them.
Given below is a list of simple vehicles that the modern country could use.


A Toyota pickup truck colloquially known as a technical could be used as a gun platform.


Kubus armoured truck- Used in WW2 by underground Polish resistance during the Warsaw uprising. Build from scrap in 13 days. Could be used as an upgrade to the technical once the industry is advanced enough. Full protection from arrows and bolts.


Katyusha rocket launcher- used in WW2 by the Soviets and still used by hamas. One of the most iconic war machines on the planet. Could be easily made by the modern country.


Outcome - I think that neither side would be able to actually win the war. The modern country is too small to press home its technological advantage and he Song are too ill-equipped to capture and hold territory.
The modern country will lose a lot of land in the beginning but soon enough it can retaliate with force. Bowmen and cavalry no matter how skilled wouldn't stand a chance against machine guns.
Moreover, there is the possibility that their supply trains could be attacked by helicopters with light armament. It won't take much to destroy the supplies of the Song. Without supplies and food, a million strong army is no good.
Hence, I believe that this one would probably end up as a stalemate. The Song and the modern world could probably work out peace terms as a total victory will not be possible.
Historians around the world would have huge grins on their faces on hearing about the peace treaty with the Song. Eventually, the Song could offer guided tours of China to modern tourists in exchange for Modern technology. The Song could also benefit from modern medicine and industry. This would make the Song powerful and they can be the rulers of their own planet in their own parallel universe. The medi world would be forever altered.


Failed States - Let us consider the Song empire Vs Somalia. The Song empire sends administrators to the various warlords of Somalia. Some Somali warlords join the Song to gain an upper hand over the other warlords. The Song engineers try to reverse engineer modern weapons. Doing so would be nearly impossible for them, but I think that they could manage to produce muskets on a large scale. The commanders of the Song could also procure a few modern weapons for themselves. With these, they could topple the other warlords and win thanks to their large numbers. The Song would lose many soldiers but they shouldn't really have any problem with that.


A small country with a decent sized modern army- Now let's say that a portal opens up between the Song empire and New Zealand. The New Zealand armed forces have a tiny army of 7000 soldiers and 4000 reservists. They have around 280 infantry support vehicles and 4 to 5 artillery batteries of 12 guns each. Tiny force right? Meanwhile, the Song have almost a million plus soldiers and many millions more to recruit.
In spite of their overwhelming manpower, the Song would be wiped out. The New Zealand army can just surround the portal and shoot any schmuck who tries to enter. The Song will take a lot of time to assemble. By this time, the NZ army can entrench itself . Furthermore, the NZ army and airforce can attack the Song while they are assembling with their helicopters and attack aircraft. This could break Song supply lines and give more time for the NZ army to prepare its defenses. They could also kill the Song generals and commanders. After all medi generals were known for being flamboyant. They would be good targets for gunships. This would cause widespread fear among the Song troops.


If it comes to a direct battle, the artillery batteries would devastate most of the Song army and the rest would be cut to ribbons by the machine guns. The Song can't outflank or outrun modern APCs and helicopters. There is just no way that the Song would win this one.
The American Civil War showed what happens when old tactics are used alongside new weapons. The first world War further proved in gory detail, what happens to people who try to charge headlong toward machine gun nests. And these battles were fought between opponents of the same timeline, who had knowledge of enemy tactics and weapons and had similar armament. The Song have no prior knowledge. No matter how smart you are, you can't figure out modern battle tactics and weapons within a month. It would be as stupid as facing a small space fleet of Imperial Star destroyers. They know your tactics, you don't know theirs,they know all about your weapons and capabilities while you know zilch about theirs.
This scenario would basically be a turkey shoot for the modern army.


That so damn boring! I mean add some military strategy, some maneuvers and some je ne sais quoi. Just make it more awesome would you?
OK! This time, we would be sending the modern army back in time to face the medi. This would make the scenario more interesting right?
Before we send our army back in time, let’s take some minimum requirements. To qualify a modern nation must at least have a reasonably mechanized army. A mechanized army consists of tanks, armored personnel carriers, and other light combat vehicles. I would also include artillery in this mix. Failed States would not be considered. Only countries with strong, united armies would be considered. So no Afghanistan, no Iraq, no Syria, no Somalia etc.


Small modern mechanized army with artillery -
Considering these Parameters, Let’s consider a battle between a small modern opponent and a medi empire. Let the modern opponent be the Gabonese army.


​Military strength- Gabon has a pretty small military. About 2,200 troops supported by around 70 armored personnel Carriers (APC) with light machine guns. They also have a small artillery battery and an MLRS (Multiple Rocket Launcher system) batteries of 8 trucks. The military is tiny but it is well trained. However, their weapons are mostly old Soviet Weapons like the Ak-47s and RPG-7s. The APCs and artillery systems are obsolete although the MLRS platforms are quite decent.

军事力量 - 加蓬有一个相当小的军队。 约有2200名士兵,约70名装甲运兵车(APC)配备轻型机枪用来支援。 他们还有一个小型火炮和一个由8辆卡车组成的MLRS(多发火箭发射系统)。 军队虽小,但训练有素。 然而,他们的武器大多是古老的苏联武器,如Ak-47和RPG-7。 装甲运兵车和火炮系统已经过时,但MLRS还是很不错的。

The Battle- Now let's consider 3 scenarios. In all of these scenarios, the modern army is transported to 11th century China. How? I don't know, ask Einstein or some physicist.
Anyway, the modern army's vehicles are fully fuelled. They carry the maximum amount of ammunition possible. The infantry carries 5 magazines of ammo each. There is no resupply for fuel and bullets, this is all that is. These conditions are imposed to give the modern army a handicap. This is necessary otherwise the modern army would easily steam-roll the medi army and it would be no fun at all.


Scenario 1-Direct attack by Song army-
Let us consider that the Song army and the Gabonese face off against each other at the borders of the Song empire. The Song have a force around 500,000 strong. As you might recall, The Gabonese have 4,000 men with 70 APCs, an MLRS battery of 8 missile trucks and a small artillery battery.


Gabonese Teruel MLRS


The Song general's scouts tell him that the enemy strength is around 4000. However, they warn him that the invaders have strange iron boxes with wheels. He asks the general for a few more scouting missions and a few harassing raids to probe the enemy and to understand their weapons better.
The Song general simply laughs and tells the scout to stop drinking on duty. He wants to launch a full on assault and just go home. He thinks that the invaders are just another one of the various warring Chinese tribes. He decides to launch a three-pronged assault on the invaders and their strange iron boxes. His cavalry will be in the wings and his infantry and archers at the center.
The Song army arrives on the battlefield at day break. Gabonese lookouts sound alarms and wake up the rest of the army. The meanwhile the Song cavalry charges towards Gabonese positions. Most of the riders are cut down by a fusillade of rifle and machine gun fire.
Meanwhile, the Gabonese MLRS battery and artillery engages the main Song host. Shells and rockets smash the Song army to bits. Most of the Song army retreats.


The Gabonese for now, hold their ground as they try to understand who attacked them. Most of the Gabonese soldiers start panicking as they start to realize that they won't be seeing their families again. The officers desperately try to maintain discipline in the ranks. Some deserters who are trying to flee are shot.
They then take stock of their inventory. Most of the Gabonese soldiers panicked when the Song army charged at them and wasted most of their bullets. Most of the infantry is down to just a magazine or two. One can hardly blame them, after all, they had been displaced in space and time. Ammunition is now critically low. What more, the Gabonese have almost no food supplies. The men's morale is at rock bottom.
About 1/3 of the Song army was able to retreat to a nearby fort. The song general is horrified by what he experienced and hands over command to the fort commander.
A lot of Song soldiers are shell shocked after the battle and refuse to fight. The fort commander hangs a few of the troublemakers to make an example and threatens to kill their children. Soon all of them are on their feet again.
The commander decides on using guerilla tactics to face their superior aggressors. Men are sent to very nearby village to get each and every horse they can find. Every able bodied man from the village is picked up and handed a crossbow or a spear.


The Song general knows that time is limited and the invaders can launch an assault at any moment. He evacuated the fort and divides his men into 150 man squads. These squads would carry out raids to stall, weaken and divert the invaders. The song general is going to use the vast Chinese countryside to his advantage. This would give him time to gather reinforcements and understand the enemy's weaknesses.
Messengers are sent to nearby Forts for reinforcements. The rest of the Song army melts into the countryside.
2 days later, Scouts and patrols of the Song soon confirm that the APCs have stopped. This allows the Song soldiers to harass the remaining Gabonese infantry at will. The Song army attacks the Gabonese day and night.
The Song lose thousands of soldiers to the assault rifles of their opponents. However, the Song can very easily replace their men, the Gabonese can't. Moreover, Song reinforcements are arriving from nearby Forts to replace the fallen. These reinforcements are further are further supplemented by peasants. The Song outnumber their enemies 200:1 and more men are coming.
Also, the constant raids have severely depleted the Gabonese ammo supplies. Most soldiers are down to their last magazines. Most of the soldiers are also hungry and extremely tired from fending off Chinese ambushes and the long marches.
Subsequent raids by the Song, further weaken the Gabonese. In time, almost all of them are killed.


Scenario 2- Song empire harasses the enemy first to waste ammunition and then attacks-
This time, the Chinese general agrees with his scouts and decides to launch harassing raids at first. These would be cut to ribbons by the Gabonese. The Chinese general asks most of his force to retreat to forces further inland. As in the first scenario, guerilla raids are launched.
Chinese casualties would be staggering but they can afford such losses. Peasants can be conscripted to act as cannon fodder . Messengers are sent and reinforcements are called for.
The Gabonese don't have any such privileges. Ammunition and fuel for the MLRS battery, the APCs, and the artillery start to run out. Chinese scouts confirm that the opponents artillery is no long engaging their forces.
Once this is done the Chinese army will attack in overwhelming force. Support fire would be laid down from cannons and heavy crossbows. Chinese archers would rain down arrows as the army attacks.
The Gabonese would be down to their assault rifles. Now modern rifles are incredibly powerful but thanks to the constant Chinese raids, most of the soldiers are down to two or three magazines. These soldiers will be facing cannon fire from rudimentary Chinese weapons and huge numbers of arrows would be falling from the sky. Plus thousands of heavy cavalry would be charging headlong at them.
Against such odds, the Gabonese Infantry would be slaughtered to a man. They might kill many Chinese Soldiers in the process but in the end, the sheer numbers would crush them.


Scenario 3- Gabonese Assault, Chinese Defend
Now consider that the Gabonese commander considers his huge technological advantage and decides to attack the nearby Chinese forts garrisoning the troops. The APC's along with the artillery launch the assault. The Gabonese artillery batter down the fort walls and the APC's fire on the enemy troops with their machine guns. The Gabonese can ask the Chinese to surrender and join them. Considering the weapons of the enemy, the Chinese commander might agree. If he does, the Gabonese will have a new ally, if he doesn't agree, the Chinese commander and his regiment would be killed. The Gabonese would continue on to the next fort or fight from the ruins of this Fort.
In the first case, what will happen is that Eventually, their APCs and artillery would run out of ammunition and they would either surrender or be slaughtered.
In the second case, the Chinese would besiege them, denying them food and water. In the End, the Gabonese would surrender or try to break out. Eventually, again their Ammunition would run dry and they would be slaughtered.


Scenario 4- Song do not engage Gabonese, Gabonese seek consolidation of forces - The Gabonese general understanding his predicament decides to first try and find some allies and then try to defeat the Song. He understands that with a small army he won't be able to conquer China without some friends.
He manages to capture some Song scouts alive. Under duress, the Song scouts tell him about the Liao empire just across the border.
He asks the scouts to lead him to the Liao kingdom. He Gabonese general asks for an alliance between the Liao and himself against the Song. The Liao emperor happily agrees.
The Gabonese get food and the Liao get advanced firearms training. Gabonese engineers and artificers are able to teach the Liao to make basic muskets. They may even be able to significantly modify the Liao artillery. The APCs guns could be mounted onto horse-drawn carts and the Gabonese artillery could similarly be pulled by horses. It sounds ridiculous but as recently as WW2 such methods were used when trucks weren't available.
The Liao army along with the Gabonese could then wage war against the Song. Their new weapons could obviously tilt the tables in their favor. The Song will be defeated.


Conclusion- So basically if, the Gabonese find some allies they would be able to win easily. Otherwise, victory is impossible. The Gabonese are too small a force to do anything significant on their own without supplies.
I think that the Gabonese should be able to win this war because divide and conquer has been used several times in history. Cortez used it in America and the British East India company used it to bring India to its knees. So I think that a Gabonese general with at least half a brain would opt for the same.


Moderate Modern Mechanized Army with Attack Helicopters and Artillery- Now let’s call in a tougher but still reasonable opponent. Let's say Kazakhstan, a former USSR member.


​Military strength- Kazakhstan has a pretty decent military. They have over 100,000 active soldiers. They have old but trusty tanks like the T-72, good sturdy APCs like the BMP-1 and powerful artillery systems. They also have tactical ballistic missiles and other heavy rocket systems. They have old soviet fighter jets like the Mig 21s and Mig 27s but we will leave them out of the battle because jets need a solid runway to land on and you won't find any in the 11th century. However, we will consider attack helicopters and transport helicopters. The Kazakhs have the Mi- 24 helicopter, an old but very powerful soviet era gunship with an array of devastating weapons. All in all, a pretty decent army.

军事力量——哈萨克斯坦有相当不错的军队。他们有超过10万名现役军人。他们有老式但可靠的坦克,像T-72,很好的坚固装甲,像BMP-1步兵战车和强大的火炮系统。他们还拥有战术弹道导弹和其他重型火箭系统。他们有老式的苏联战斗机,比如米格21和米格 27,但是我们不会让他们参与战场,因为这些飞机需要一个坚实的跑道降落,而你在11世纪没有发现任何类似的道路。但是,我们将考虑攻击直升机和运输直升机。哈萨克人拥有米格24直升机,这是一艘古老但非常强大的苏联时代的武装直升机,拥有一系列毁灭性武器。总而言之,一支相当不错的军队。

The battle- The Kazakhs realize that they have traveled back in time to some medi period. After the initial shock, they would understand that an enemy empire is trying to cut them to ribbons. The Kazakhs would assemble their forces and prepare for battle. We will choose three different scenarios and see the outcomes.


Direct confrontation-
Outcome 1.
Chinese assault- A huge Chinese song army arrives in the plains where the Kazakhs are resting. The Kazakhs prepare for battle.
The Kazaks launch a heavy artillery barrage on the song army. The Kazakh high explosives and heavy machine guns destroy huge parts of the Chinese army and the infantry mops up the rest. The Chinese commanders are captured and they led the Kazakhs to the emperor.
The song emperor would be horrified to hear that his entire army was slaughtered in an hour and would obviously surrender. The Kazakhs would keep the Chinese administrators to govern the dynasty as before and they themselves would live lavishly as nobles and overlords. The Kazakh army and the tanks and helicopters would be kept in reserve as a special force to guard the Kazakh overlords. They will be like an imperial guard.
A new song army will be raised and with the help of modern military tactics and weapons like better muskets , it would be able to take on almost any empire in the world. The song dynasty would destroy every single empire in its path . It will resist the Mongols and there would be no Mongol empire in this new altered history. In time the Kazakhs could even teach the Chinese about the uses of steam power and an industrial revolution might take place in the China of the 12th century.


Outcome 2-
Chinese defend- Chinese patrols report to their commander that strange men with big iron machines and huge metal birds have arrived on the border of the empire. The Chinese commander launches raiding parties on the invaders. The parties and scouts are totally wiped out. A heavily wounded scout struggles back to base. He tells the Chinese commander that the enemy has very advanced weapons that spit out fire and strange projectiles.
The Chinese general decides to prepare for a siege instead of fighting these invaders with their strange weapons head on.
Kazakh helicopters on reconnaissance missions spot huge Chinese regiments in forts. they decide to launch an assault. Tanks, helicopters and artillery tear down the walls in no time.
The Chinese general is horrified of these strange men with their unimaginably advanced weaponry and decides to surrender immediately. The Kazakhs ask him to lead them to their emperor and an outcome similar to the first scenario emerges.

结果2 -

A war of attrition (Fabian Strategy) -
The very unlikely outcome-
The Chinese scouts inform their general about the men with the strange weapons. The general sends a small division of around a 1000 soldiers to a small outpost on the border to investigate further.
A few days after this a heavily wounded man arrives at the fort of the general. He tells him that talks at diplomacy with the strange men failed and they tortured the messenger to reveal the location of the border outpost.
After this, the invaders arrived at the walls of the outpost and blew it to rubble in a matter of minutes.
The general is aghast on hearing this. He realizes that defenses won't work against the strange invaders weapons. He also knows that regular Chinese military formations would be cut to ribbons by their advanced weapons.
He decides to fight a war of attrition. Basically, he will try to win by using his advantage in resources and supplies. Chinese patrols and scouts tell him that these strange invaders haven't come from any of the other Chinese states. They also don’t have any baggage trains. The General believes that these strange men are a far way away from home and lack supplies. He decides to use this to his advantage.


He decides to follow a scorched earth policy while retreating. He also decides to conduct small guerrilla raids on the Kazakhs to spend their ammunition and hammer them to the point of submission.
In layman terms, a scorched earth policy is a military strategy that involves destroying anything that might be useful to the enemy while advancing through or withdrawing from an area. Basically, he will try to starve the Kazakhs out.
In addition, he would also harass them constantly with small raids on the exposed infantry. The main purpose of the raids would be to exhaust the Kazakh's ammunition.
To confuse and divert the Kazakhs, the general sends 1/3 of his forces supplemented by peasants. These forces would try to divert the Kazakh forces and hopefully give the Chinese forces time to retreat and carry out their plans.
Knowing that forts and fortifications are useless before the enemy's weapons, the Chinese general recalls his troops from these border forts and adds them to his army.


Knowing that swords are useless against the invaders, the general also supplies all his men with repeating crossbows which fire 5 bolts in 30 seconds. These are simple weapons which can be operated by even the peasants. He then orders his forces to fall back. Villages are burned by the Song army and some parts of the army form Raiding parties with the peasant militia. These raiding parties would harass the Kazakh forces and once again allow the remaining Song forces to retreat. In this way, the Chinese general would use his manpower advantage to effectively starve out the Kazakhs.
By the 3rd day, the Kazakh tanks, APCs and helicopters are all out of fuel. They had been laid astray by harassing Chinese parties on horseback. These Chinese parties cause little damage but waste Kazakh ammunition and fuel. They are also starving thanks to the brilliant scorched earth policy of the song general.
The song general is informed that the iron beasts of the invaders have stopped. He is pleased to hear this. It means that the invaders can no long destroy his forts with impunity. He decides to retake a fort just near the Kazakh lines and face off the enemy once and for all. He leaves behind his cavalry and archers outside the fort in nearby villages and tells them to wait for his signal to assault the Kazakhs.


The Kazakh army is in shambles, thousands of men have fled after the tanks and helicopters ran out of fuel. Most of them run away to become pirates. The army has lost all sense of discipline. The Kazakhs must take a Chinese fort and get food or they would all die of hunger.
The Kazakhs launch a desperate assault on the fort. The Chinese cannons and heavy long ranged crossbows decimate ranks of the Kazakhs. The Kazakhs now only have small portable mortars to engage the enemy and they do so. Large numbers of the Chinese defenders die, but the fort stands. After heavy fighting, most of the Kazakh weapons are running dry. The Chinese general decides to launch a heavy assault on the Kazakh lines to break them once and for all.
He launches a signal rocket telling his cavalry and archers waiting nearby to launch a pre-planned assault on the Kazakh rear. The fort cannons would lay down support fire. Anyone not operating the cannons will attack the Kazakh front ranks with their crossbows.
The song assault is launched. Most of the Kazakh soldiers barely have a magazine or two of ammo left and are unable to do any significant damage on the attacking song infantry. Meanwhile, their rear guard is decimated by the charging cavalry and archers. The Kazakhs are killed to a man.


Shortcomings of this strategy - As you might have noticed, there are a lot of very unlikely assumptions in this scenario. It assumes that Chinese communications are speedy and the Chinese are able to coordinate their assaults with incredible precision. It also assumes that the Kazakhs get hopelessly lost in the vast Chinese countryside. It also assumes that the Chinese somehow understand that the Kazakh vehicles need fuel.
Most of these assumptions lie on the edge of impossibility. Coordinating precision assaults on a modern army is impossible when you have Horse scouts as your primary mode of communication. By the time, you launch an assault the Kazakhs could have covered another 20 miles. Also, the Kazakhs can simply capture a few Chinese peasants or scouts and force them to show the Kazakhs the way to the capital. However, the most likely Kazakh strategy to counter the Chinese is going to be a Blitzkrieg strategy (Lightning War). The next section describes this.


The very likely outcome (Blitzkrieg)-
As in the first case, the Chinese General decides on a scorched earth tactic. Similar to the first case, he orders a branch of his army to conduct a diversionary attack while simultaneously retreating with the rest of his army.
After a few attacks by the Chinese forces, the Kazakh commander becomes suspicious. He realizes that the Chinese forces engaging him are too small. Also, the countryside is becoming progressively more and more barren. Connecting the dots, he realizes that, his Chinese opponent is challenging him to a war of attrition. He knows that with his limited fuel supplies he won't be able to fight for long. He must end this war quickly by using his air power.


He captures some Chinese peasants and Song commanders alive and persuades them to tell him about the Song general’s plans. The prisoners confirm his theory. He also manages to make them squeal and gets the approximate location of the main song army.
He decides to use a Blitzkrieg tactic to destroy the Song army. He fuels up his Attack helicopters (Mi 24s) and his transport/utility helicopters. He also asks his engineer corps to clear a stretch of land with bulldozers to make a crude airfield. This would allow him to use his Mig-21 jet fighters. Mig 21 are old, hardy Soviet jets which can easily take off from unprepared airstrips. The Kazakh general hopes to capture or kill most of the Song army with his helicopter assault. He would then use Song maps to know the position of the Song capital. His jets would then bomb the capital to press home the victory.


​​Mi 24 (tiger shark)


The Mi 24 helicopters are armed with a powerful Gatling gun and several light and medium machine guns. It also has rocket pods. The Kazakhs have 36 of these powerful helicopters.
The Kazakh engineers also hastily make modifications to their transport helicopters. The 12 UH-1's are fitted with medium machine guns and the 40 Mi-8's are fitted with rocket pods and machine guns. The other 60 transport helicopters are fitted with light machine guns. All in all, the helicopter force equals around 150 helicopters.
The helicopters would engage the main song army. The BMP-1s are also readied. These would move out 3 hours before the helicopter force. The helicopters and the BMPs should arrive at the Chinese camps at approximately the same time.

直升飞机将与主要的宋军交战。bmp -1步兵战车也已被修复。这些将在直升机部队将会飞行三个小时。直升机和BMP步兵战车应该在大约同一时间到达宋国首都。

At the break of dawn, the helicopter force moves out. The BMP-1s have already started off.
The main Chinese army is taking rest in a faraway village. They are still sleeping. At midday, they would burn this village and retreat further inland. Alas, they are not so lucky.
The Kazakh forces arrive at the camp and engages the Chinese. A flurry of rockets streaks out from the Mi-24s and Mi-8s killing many Song soldiers who are still sleeping. The Helicopters then engage the rest with machine guns. The Song army sustains horrific losses.
Minutes later, the BMPs arrive and mop up the rest. Most of the Song army surrenders. Mig 21 fighters launch an air offensive against the Song capital to break the enemy's resolve. Soon after this Kazakh helicopters land at the Song capital and take the emperor hostage. A similar chain of events as described in the 1st and 2nd scenarios take place.

拂晓时分,直升机部队出动了。bmp -1战车早已出发了。

Conclusion- This war wholly depends on the expertise of the Kazakh Generals. Effective use of Blitzkrieg tactics to wipe out the Song forces in a short period would give the Kazakhs an easy victory.
However, if the Kazakh commanders do not engage the Song army with their Helicopters, they may lose in a war of attrition.
I am actually pretty certain that the Kazakhs would win. After all, a Blitzkrieg tactic is not exactly a novel approach. It has been used before a lot of times. Understanding the situation any half-decent Commander would opt to use it. Hence, I think that a Kazakh victory is almost 100% certain regardless of Chinese tactics.


The answer in short- Modern army wins almost 99% of the times.
A small modern army like the Gabonese or the New Zealand armed forces wouldn't be able to win by their own. However, they could consolidate their position with a few native allies and then win the war.
A moderate sized modern force like the Kazakhs or the German army would easily win on their own.
I had a great time writing this answer. Such questions are where Quora truly shines. I would also like to thank the Quora community for suggesting some of the scenarios presented in this answer. This answer would have been incomplete without your help and for that I am grateful.


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