2010年版三国演义电视剧12-14集评论
2022-02-03 凌☆♂宇 14817
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(译者加:基于2010年版三国电视剧。下附每集介绍,复制于百度百科。)
第12集
曹操接到刘备的“拜帖”,请求他接受陶谦的赔罪,撤军言和,否则将与陶谦生死与共。曹操大怒,准备全军攻城。突然败报传来:吕布率兵攻克根据地兖州!无奈之下,曹操只得给刘备顺水推舟卖个人情,撤军言和。陶谦大喜,再次以徐州相让,被刘备婉拒,只恳请驻兵小沛,陶谦父子感动不已。一天深夜,奄奄一息的陶谦直到刘备答应做徐州牧后方才合目死去。就在刘备兄弟悲喜交集之时,被曹操打败的吕布率兵临城,请求刘备收容。刘备不顾关张的劝阻,毅然开城门迎接吕布。酒席上,吕布主动提出与刘备结为异姓兄弟,不料引起了张飞的愤慨。他在帐外大骂吕布,历数其种种不仁不义的“恶行”。吕布羞愧难当,认为徐州无法容身,刘备劝他暂驻小沛。曹操得知刘备做了徐州牧,怒斥其忠义其表,奸滑其心,荀彧却认为徐州一山难容二虎,建议曹操静观刘备、吕布之变,坐收渔利。


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I feel bad for Lü bu, everyone just use him as a tool.

我为吕布感到难过,每个人都把他当作工具。

Guan Yu and Zhang Fei should've accepted Lu Bu

关羽和张飞应该接纳吕布。

I really wish Lu Bu was of loyal character. If he were, today's history of Shu-Han would of had 6 tiger generals instead of 5.

我真希望吕布是个忠诚的人。如果他是,那么蜀汉的历史上就会有6虎将而不是5个。

we get it Lui Bei, you are humble and kind but there is a limit. Lu Bu literally just came to you and you instantly wanted to give him everything you have...
i do love Lui Bei but i do hope he changes to be a bit more ambitious and self serving in the future while keeping his kind and noble personality.

我们知道刘备,你是谦虚和善良的,但这应该是有限度的。吕布来到你身边,你就立刻想把你所拥有的一切都给他……
我爱刘备,但我希望他在保持善良高尚的性格的同时,在未来变得更有野心,更自私。

Testosterone makes great warriors, but it also stops logical brain function.

睾丸激素会造就伟大的战士,但它也会阻止大脑的逻辑功能。

Western film producers could learn a lot from this series .

西方电影制片人可以从这个系列中学习到很多。

Cao Cao really is just a more capapable Dong Zhuo.

曹操真的只是一个更能干的董卓。

They're trying to portray Cao Cao as "just another power-hungry warlord" who looked down on & disdained Lu Bei's kindhearted nature etc, etc! Yet, Cao Cao was nothing of the sort! Among ALL other types of men, it's those such as Cao Cao who truly know the greater community needed to unite...A STRONG LEADER. Not, a leader defined & enthralled by ideals of "virtue, formality & principle"! Idealist have caused the harm of more people throughout history than ANY other type of leader. Whether, inadvertently or purposely.
Moreover, Cao Cao was trying to unite the realm, in order to stop the bloodshed ASAP. For, unlike Lui Bei, Cao Cao was not saddled by "Virtue, formality & principle". They merely prolong the peoples suffering & the reunification of a community. In fact, idealist are ruining the Americas, Europe, China & much of the rest of the world today!

他们试图把曹操描绘成一个“只是另一个渴望权力的军阀”,看不起和蔑视刘备善良的本性,等等!然而,曹操根本不是这样的人!在所有的诸侯中,只有曹操知道社会需要团结……需要一个强有力的领导者。不是一个被“德、礼、义”的理想所束缚的领导者!在历史上,理想主义者造成的伤害比任何其他类型的领导人都要多。不管是无意还是有意。
此外,曹操试图统一天下,以尽快停止流血。因为,与刘备不同,曹操并没有被这些“德、礼、义”的理想所束缚。它们只会延长了人民的痛苦和社会的统一。事实上,理想主义者正在毁灭今天的美洲、欧洲、中国和世界上的许多地方!

They really gloss over the fact CaoCao committed genocide in Xu murdering over 100,000 men women and children dumping so many corpses inside the Si river. Cao Cao was a sick bastard.

他们真的掩盖了曹操在徐州犯下种族灭绝的罪行,杀害了10万多的男子、妇女和儿童,把这么多尸体扔进了泗水。曹操是个有病的王八蛋。

Liu Bei is truly stupid and annoying in many many ways.

刘备在很多方面都很愚蠢,也很烦人。

It's really a good impression that Cao Cao puts rice back into the bowl, after he turns it over with anger. (3:56) It wouldn't be commander in chief's moral if he threw away provisions. Very nice. Anger is one, saving provisions is another.

曹操生气地把米饭碗翻过来,然后又拿筷子把米饭拨进碗里,这真是个好印象。如果他扔掉粮食,那就不符合三军统帅的道德。很好。愤怒是一回事,节约粮食是另一回事。
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Liu Bei's lack of ambition is what ultimately led to Cao Cao's side winning the 3 kingdom

刘备缺乏雄心壮志,也最终导致曹操一方赢得了三国
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chen gong should've been liu bei's strategist instead, wonder why he didn't side with liu bei seeing as they both have similar goals

陈宫本应该是刘备的谋士,但他为什么不站在刘备一边,因为他们有相似的价值目标。

I'm really disappointed. DIAO CHAN is supposed to be the prettiest girl of her time .. But the actress who is playing the role .. is JUST AVERAGE LOOKING AT BEST .. They should've casted prettier girl .. some one like liu Yifei to play Diao Chan !!

我真的很失望。貂蝉被认为是她那个时代最漂亮的女孩。但是扮演这个角色的女演员…充其量不过是一般水平。他们本应该挑选出更漂亮的女孩。刘亦菲更加适合去扮演貂蝉!!

Liu Pei is no hero. He is a right cunt. He led so many men to their deaths in the name of righteousness and "restoring the Han". He was just a hypocritical selfish b*tch that fools people by crying like a little girl. You will know what I mean in the much later part of the series. He was just another selfish bastard that manipulates people with his tears and so-called morals for his own gain.

刘备不是英雄。他是个十足的婊子。他以正义和“恢复汉朝”的名义,将许多人引向死亡。他只是个虚伪自私的白痴,只会像一个小女孩一样哭,愚弄人。在本系列后面的剧情中,您将了解我的意思。他只是另一个自私的坏蛋,为了自己的利益,用眼泪和所谓的道德来操纵别人。

Hm....Cao Cao and Liu Bei both respect each other and yet hate each other in a way at the same time. What a complicated yet interesting relationship.

嗯 ....曹操和刘备既相互尊重,又相互仇视。多么复杂而有趣的关系啊。

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第13集
曹操接到汉献帝在亡命途中发出的勤王诏书,立刻意识到这是个千古难觅的良机,马上引兵赶往洛阳“护驾”。与此同时,袁绍、袁术、刘表等人却鼠目寸光,没有任何勤王举动。洛阳城一片残破,惊魂未定的汉献帝和随行众臣迎来了兖州将军曹操的勤王大军。曹操献给皇帝珍馐美食,令君臣大为感动。翌日,曹操在陪同汉帝阅兵时,提出了迁都许昌的建议,众人隐隐感到:刚出虎狼之手,又落枭雄掌中。刚抵许昌,曹操立刻拜请汉献帝颁发了一连串圣旨,以天子的名义确定了各路诸侯的势力范围。袁绍等人懊悔不已,只得领旨谢恩。自此之后,曹操开始“挟天子以令诸侯”。曹操给刘备发出一道“恩旨”,正式册封他为徐州牧,并赏赐周边各郡,同时却严令刘备发兵征讨袁术。

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The actor who played Cao cao's is awesome

演曹操的那个演员棒极了。

Cao Cao: My Emperor, your Kentucky chicken.

曹操:我的皇帝,这是你的肯德基。

That's why cao cao can defeat yuan shao.

这就是为什么曹操能打败袁绍的原因。

Smart people sees the opportunity immediately, while unwise people doesn’t know it at all. Cao Cao controlled the realm instantly after he got the Emperor.

聪明的人能立即看到机会,而不聪明的人根本不知道发生了什么。曹操一得到皇帝就操纵了整个国家。

If I were Yuan Shao at this point, I would simply reject the decree and proclaim that Cao Cao is using the Emperor to coerce the lords.
Since he's followed Tian Feng's strategy this far, Yuan Shao may as well gamble everything on it.

如果我现在是袁绍,我就干脆拒绝这个命令,说曹操是用皇帝来要挟诸侯的。
既然袁绍这么多年来一直遵循田丰的策略,就不妨把一切都押在这上面。

Well, this proves that Cao Cao is a patriot. I mean, not even the other members of the Liu family rushed to the Emperor's aid.

这就证明曹操是个爱国者。我的意思是,即使是刘家的其他成员也没有急着去救皇帝。

This series reflects a lot on the mindsets of China. While being riddled with historical stories, the ideas conveyed can interestingly enough still be found in big parts of Asia, not just China itself. To put the country above all else, to bring honor to the realm if you will. Here in the west, we have developed a different mindset. we value the individuum.

这个系列反映了很多中国人的心态。尽管表达的是历史故事,但有趣的是,其所传达的思想仍然可以在亚洲的大部分地区找到,而不仅仅是中国本身。把国家置于一切之上,为国家带来荣誉,只要有此能力的话。而在西方,我们有一种不同的思维方式。我们更加重视个人。

man this emperor just keeps getting fucked over poor guy.

天啊,这个皇帝老是被可怜的家伙骗。
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The Emperor: "In times of need, a loyal subject is found!"
Cao Cao: "Uh, yeah. Sure."

皇帝:“患难见忠诚哪!”
曹操:“嗯,是的。当然。”

When i say it's noon, then it's noon. Who cares what you say?! Lol, like a boss

当我说现在是中午的时候,那就是中午了。谁在乎你说几点?哈哈,像个老大。

I feel pretty bad for The Emperor, he had been puppet since he was born...

我为皇帝感到难过,他从出生起就是傀儡……

Anyhow, so with that said, I want to recognize what an incredible moment it is for Cao Cao to bring chicken soup as tribute to the emperor. It shows his courage and wisdom. He understands what the Emperor has gone through and, while following traditional forms when appropriate to show respect, recognizes the time to break from tradition and follow pragmatism.

无论如何,我想说的是,这是一个多么不可思议的时刻,曹操带来鸡汤作为贡品献给皇帝。这显示了他的勇气和智慧。他了解皇帝所经历的一切,并在适当的时候以遵循传统的形式来表示尊重,同时也认识到这是打破传统、遵循实用主义的时机。
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Honestly, Liu Xie wasn't even treated all that badly when he was forced to relocate the Imperial Court to Xuchang. While it's true that Cao Cao used the Emperor to make edicts and laws, he never flagrantly abused this power with sincerity and infact used many resources and laws to better the lives of the peasants. The Emperor was still treated vastly better than any peasants or even most nobles when it came to his lifestyle as he was permitted a grand residence, was able to live in overall comfort that most lesser nobles would be green with envy towards, and was always kept fed.

老实说,刘协在被迫迁都许昌时,甚至没有受到那么恶劣的待遇。虽然曹操确实利用皇帝来制定法令,但他从来没有明目张胆地滥用这种权力,事实上他使用了很多资源和法律来改善农民的生活。皇帝的生活仍然比任何农民,甚至大多数贵族都好得多,因为他被允许住在豪华的住宅里,生活在舒适的环境中,大多数不那么高贵的贵族都会羡慕他,他现在可以一直吃得饱饱的。

I wonder why Xun Yu pursued Cao cao as someone who is so loyal to the Han court.. Has he not find out the ambitions Cao cao has?

我不明白荀彧为什么要把曹操当作汉朝的忠臣来辅佐。难道他没有发现曹操的野心吗?

Honestly China would have been so much better off if those three worked together and Cao Cao handled military affairs, Liu Bei took care of domestic matters and Sun Quan was in charge of internal disputes and the Navy. They would have created a dynasty that wouldn't have been whooped by a few barbarians in a couple hundred years.

老实说,如果这三个人一起合作,曹操处理军事事务,刘备处理国内事务,孙权负责国内争端和海军,中国的情况会好得多。他们可以建立起一个几百年内不被少数野蛮人侵扰的王朝。

I guess in that era, living itself is the greatest blessing already... At least the Han emperor meant something and did not die here

我想在那个时代,活着本身就是最大的福气……至少汉朝皇帝的处境就意味着如此,他幸好没有死在这里。

You can see the difference between Cao Cao and Dong Zhup at 29:20 when Cao Cao hands over his sword before approaching the Emperor. Dong Zhuo wore his sword in the Palace and the Emperor, openly showing contempt for the Imperial Court and his Liege Lord, making no effort to hide the truth about who was in charge. Even though Cao Cao is manipulating the Emperor in the same way as Dong Zhuo, he's far more intelligent, so he behaves respectfully before the Emperor while still making it clear that he's really in charge.

你可以看到曹操和董卓之间的区别,在29:20,当曹操在接近皇帝之前交出他的剑。董卓在皇宫和皇帝面前都佩带着宝剑,公然蔑视朝廷和他的君主,毫不掩饰谁在掌权的真相。虽然曹操和董卓一样操纵着皇帝,但他比董卓聪明得多,他在皇帝面前表现得很恭敬,同时也表明一切他尽在掌握。

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第14集
与此同时,曹操又致密信给袁术,称刘备上奏天子诬陷其有称帝之心,意欲发兵攻袭。曹操只等作壁上观。刘备接到讨贼诏书,决定发兵北进,相机行事。离开徐州之前,再三叮嘱守城的张飞要谨慎行事。袁术听取许攸的建议,贿赂吕布让其同时攻击刘备。刘备走后,张飞要与守城将士在禁酒前大醉一场,席间醉打了吕布的表弟,偏将不堪其辱,密通吕布轻取了徐州,张飞败逃淮南。三兄弟又无处容身,刘备决定重返徐州,乞回妻小。吕布开门迎接,假意奉还徐州,刘备坚决推辞。刘备带着妻小部下,无限感慨地重归小沛。袁术企图分化刘备、吕布,以二十万粮饷作为攻打刘备时吕布不出兵的代价。吕布收下粮饷,表示保持中立。袁术放心地派遣大将军纪灵攻打小沛,情况危急之下,刘备请求吕布发兵相救。

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Liu Bei and Guan Yu are a couple and Zhang Fei is their out of control adopted son

刘备和关羽就好似一对夫妻,而张飞就是他们失控的养子

"Brother, I'll do anything for you so long as you dont forbid me tondrink"
The first rule is no wine!!!

“哥哥,只要你不禁止我喝酒,我愿意为你做任何事。”
第一条规则就是不要喝酒!!

Lu Bu is totally out of his element when it comes to strategic thinking, he is only able to see things in short term gain or loss, but not in the grand scheme. It's no wonder he didn't survive the era.

说到战略思维,吕布完全是外行,他只能看到短期的得失,而看不到全局。难怪他没有挺过这个时代。

Damn this show is addicting...

该死的这个系列电视剧,让人上瘾…

Liu Bei: "You must protect Xuzhou with your life. To do so, follow these rules: 1. Don't get drunk........"
Descxtion: "Zhang Fei gets drunk and loses Xuzhou." Haha!

刘备:“你必须用你的生命来保护徐州。要做到这一点,请遵循以下规则:不喝醉........”
故事发展:“张飞喝醉了酒,失去了徐州。”哈哈!
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Zhang Fei: If I can't guard Xuzhou, you can kill me
Me: but that means all three of you will die, right?

张飞:如果我不能守卫徐州,你可以杀了我
我:但这意味着你们三个都会死,不是吗?

I will give you 3 rules!
Do not get drunk! (Everyone chugs hundreds of barrels)
No temper tantrums (Finds out one of his soldiers is Lu Bu's cousin)
Do not beat soldiers! (Beats him to a pulp, making Lu Bu furious)

我给你三条规则!
不要喝醉!(每个人都要喝上几百杯)
不要发脾气(发现他的一个士兵是吕布的表弟)
不要打士兵!(把吕布表弟狂打一顿,让吕布火冒三丈)

Liu bei spoils Zhang fei.. A lot, in this version

刘备宠坏了张飞。在这一系列之后还有很多。

For all we know, Liu Bei knew that it was suicidal to be the Governor of Xuzhou because he is right in between Cao Cao and Yuan Shu who both have at least 200,000 troops. So he instructed Zhang Fei to enact this whole deal where they will loose the City intentional to Lu Bu and let him get killed by either Cao Cao or Yuan Shu in the end. Surely enough that is what happened in the end.

据我所知,刘备知道当徐州牧是自杀的行为,因为他正好处在曹操和袁术之间,而袁术和曹操都至少有20万军队。于是,他命令张飞去完成这件事,把这座城交给吕布,最后让他被曹操或袁术杀死。当然,这也是最终发生的事情。

Lui Bei always knew Cao Cao wanted Xu province. He also knew Lu Bu and Chen Gong plotted to take it. He also knew Zhang Fei irrational and easily manipulated. That's why he left Zhang Fei there. As he planned, Lu Bu took over Xu province. Lui Bei is one cunning mofer.

刘备早就知道曹操想要徐州。他也知道吕布和陈宫想密谋夺取此地。他也知道张飞不理智,容易被操纵。这就是他把张飞留在那里的原因。按照他的计划,吕布接管了徐州。刘备是一个狡猾的家伙。

True but Zhang Fei blatantly violated Liu Bei's rules not to drink or beat his men. He's done that several times which led to his assassination in the end.

张飞公然违反了刘备的规定,去喝酒,打手下。他这样做了好几次,最终也导致他被暗杀。

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