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Australia won't host U.S. missiles, prime minister says

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You are talking to me like I am American. Honestly for real who are you talking to?


Ally yourselves with China then, cunt.


Doubt they will change that now.
As an Australian, the compelling reasons for doing so have been racking up rather rapidly...


This has been a long, long term Australian policy. Australia would love to see nuclear weapons completely gone internationally.


Is the world trending to an all-out war or an all-out peace. What exactly are humans doing when it is the health of this planet that is at stake. We might not get to either end as we might all disappear, extinct.


This is one of the negative effects of Trump needlessly antagonizing relationships with allies.
He has made himself incredibly unpopular abroad and foreign leaders cannot simply comply with his policies, even if it makes sense strategically, because it is politically disadvantageous for them.


I don't believe the Obama administration would of asked because it's such a silly request that hurts Australia more than China. I suspect Pompeo just made the comment without thinking about the impact.....in line with the current adminstration.


America First == America Alone.
Has any country in world history ever voluntarily forfeited such an overwhelming soft power advantage?


Ming Dynasty China did when they burned their navy, which was the most powerful in the world at the time. Doing so forfeited everything east of the horn of Africa to the rising European powers. Interestingly enough, that was also the result of isolationist politics beating out international.


I don't think anyone should be concerned about USA giving up the navy


A navy isn't soft power.


That's true! I thought of it as such because the navy was mostly used as an unspoken threat, much like that of possible retribution from the US that constitutes soft power today. They usually wouldn't directly invade kingdoms, but they would dock offshore, present gifts to the local ruler, and "ask" for tribute. That's about as soft as it got in those days.


China would be a far worse leader than Germany or Japan would have been.


China would not be the China we know if they did this. We’re talking 1400s here. Imagine another 600 years of social and scientific evolution based on the east and not the west.
There are so many variables and implications that I really could not say if we would be worse off or not.


That is terrifying...


Yes. The United States. We were isolationist after the first world war and everyone hated it. Everyone literally didn't want to deal with the worlds shit.
World went to shit, Japan dragged us into it, so now we are Team America, World Police. Now everyone hates that.


Apart from wars with Spain and Mexico when the US grabbed masses of new territory and the constant interference in latin and south america. You can't be isolationist and expansionist at the same time.


You know there is a middle ground right? Allies having eachother's backs but not overreaching to exploit another nation for their ressources.


Ha! You've heard of this thing called capitalism, yes?


Con - our economy relies heavily on China (for good or bad, that’s the current state)


Pro: It increases containment of the greatest threat to Western Civilization, the CCP.
Digging up the Relic known as "The Yellow Peril" again I see, why don't you go back to the 1900s again?


The other day someone replied to me with a concise translation of what I thought - "the USA doesn't have allies, it has interests". Now, more than ever, the Australian public seems to lack faith in our previous belief that if anything happened, the U.S. would be there for us.


I disagree. The US has allies; I would go so far as to call them brothers.
The US and the rest of the anglo-sphere are exceptionally close, and while they may bicker, as families do, they are exceptionally close, and will be there for each other if the time comes.


I sincerely hope you're right


I don't remember the US sending a carrier group to the Falklands.
To say unequivocally that we will be there for each other if the time comes is optimistic, and like most blanket statements tends to be without nuance.


But there was American support, in supplies and intelligence, despite Argentina also being an American ally.
There was also talk of loaning the United Kingdom an aircraft carrier should one of hers be sunk.


Is Australia even a good location to base missiles? The only thing nearby is Indonesia. I'd assume the US would want to be able to hit China and maybe North Korea, that 4000-6000 km, bit far for IRBM's. The US would be better off placing IRBM's on all the pacific islands they still more or less own.


Australia is a key Ally in the SE hemisphere for a number of reasons. If the US were to host missiles and South Korea for example, if (and at this point - when) war breaks out, those missiles would likely be turned against the US and its allies. SK is a small country and while NK isn't much, with china and possibly russia's support they could completely overwhelm the peninsula.
Japan is going to suffer much of the same fate in that regard. Japan doesn't really have military power anymore after they revoked it after WWII. The base on Okinawa would not last very long and japan, even if they managed to rouse the population into service, would be left handicapped.
Now we have Australia. AUS is a long time ally to both the US and Europe, it has it's own military force, it's too large to effectively be conquered in a short amount of time, and it's a great place to stage a counter strike from. This is part of the reason why the US want to host it's missiles there; it's one of the best options


Australia should support the US, the US has supported us strategically since WW2 and has always been a friend. Orange Trump makes it more challenging. China is a dictatorship that does not deserve sympathy & needs standing up to. In saying that putting US missiles in Australia seems stupid as it needlessly antagonizes China. 30pc of our exports go to China, approx $123billion. For context, our whole yearly federal education budget is approx $35billion. Australia has to balance what it does to support the US without shooting ourselves in the foot.