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Brexit: Thousands march across UK in ‘Stop the coup’ protests against Johnson parliament suspension
-‘Shame on you,’ demonstrators shout as they gather outside Downing Street and block roads and bridges


(Protesters take to streets after Boris Johnson suspends Parliament)


Tens of thousands of protesters marched across the UK on Saturday, in a show of anger over Boris Johnson’s decision to suspend parliament.


About 100,000 people rallied in central London at midday, according to the protest’s organisers.


Many of the marchers carried placards reading “Stop the coup!”


The crowds walked down Whitehall, the heart of government, and gathered at the gates of Downing Street.


The prime minister’s decision has prompted outcry in Westminster and opposition politicians were among the protesters on Saturday.


Diane Abbott, the shadow home secretary, and John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, spoke to the crowds from a stage in Whitehall, erected near Downing Street.


“It is a fight to protect our democracy – we know what Boris Johnson is up to, it is not very subtle, is it,” Mr McDonnell said.


“He wants to close down our democracy and force through a no-deal Brexit.”


Mr McDonnell said previous generations fought and made huge sacrifices, some giving their lives, in the fight for parliamentary democracy so they could have their say over policies and the future of the country.


“Boris Johnson, this is not about parliament versus the people, this is about you versus the people,” he said.


“I’m proud to be here with all of you supporting that, to say to Boris Johnson no way, it’s our parliament,” the Labour leader said.


“No way do you take us out without a deal – we will stop you and give the people their rights and their say to determine their future.


Earlier on Saturday, Mr Corbyn warned that parliament would have its last chance to stop a no-deal Brexit when the Commons returned next week.


“Yes, it is the chance and we will do absolutely everything we can to prevent a no-deal Brexit and the prime minister taking us into the hands of Donald Trump and a trade deal with the USA,” he said.


“That is the real agenda of the prime minister. There is a lot of work being done in preparation for next Tuesday.”


Crowds more than a thousand strong also gathered for rallies in York, Manchester, Newcastle and Bristol.


One of the smallest and most northerly rallies was held on Orkney, where around 100 people braved the rain to stage a protest in the town of Kirkwall.


Orkney has just 22,000 residents.


Alena Ivanova, from Another Europe Is Possible, said: “Today’s protests are the beginning of something huge – they have been inspiring, full of youth and diversity and energy.”


She said that the daily protests must “grow into the millions” in “the centre of every town in the country.”

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[–]bigmacca86 -42 6
What coup are they talking about, because he is the PM and certainly isnt trying to overthrow the Crown or the Government he leads?


[–]PanzerKomadant 36 6
Suspending the parliament to ramp through his Brexit without parliaments support or opposition seems pretty undemocratic to me. May could have done that, but she never did.


[–]bigmacca86 -42 6
May was against Brexit, she was the wrong choice for PM. The vote was made and Brexit won, to ignore this result would be undemocratic. Johnson is acting exactly as the law allows, and only the Queen can over rule his advise/decisions


[–]esxxs 1 5
"to ignore this result would be undemocratic." This is incorrect, the UK government isnt bound to uphold the outcome of any public referendums by constitution, convention or precedent. In fact the precedent when looking across multiple democracies with non binding public referendums suggests they should have ignored it.


[–]PanzerKomadant 1 5
Its a coup of a government because no one can oppose bo jo now.


[–]anlumo 7 6
Neither the Crown nor the government were elected, only the House of Commons was.


[–]kalekold -16 6
These people have no idea what a coup is.


[–]rabo_de_galo 3 5
just cause he is in power don't mwan this isn't a coup, a big part of democracy is the systems or checks and balances, if the person in power try to destroy these systems then he is doing a coup


[–]amorousCephalopod 317 5
Boris Johnson got the Queen to suspend Parliament, which means they can't even try to create a deal for Brexit. He's essentially forcing a no-deal exit, which has numerous negative consequences that a deal exit would have avoided.


[–]NumberDodger 6 5
You're dead wrong. For most of the time since the referendum and especially recently the majority favour remain: "Opinion polling tended to show a plurality of support for Brexit after the referendum and until the 2017 General Election. Since then, opinion polls have tended to show a plurality of support for remaining in the EU or for the view that Brexit was a mistake". See here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ ... mbership_referendum

你大错特错了。自公投以来的大部分时间,尤其是最近,大多数人都支持留欧:“民意调查大多显示,公投后以及2017年大选前,多数人支持脱欧。但自那以后,民意调查却大多显示,多数人支持留在欧盟,或者支持英国脱欧是一个错误的观点。”点击这里查看:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ ... mbership_referendum

[–]menchicutlets 1 5
I can tell you for a fact that many people who voted to leave did not agree with this No-deal bullshit and wanted a proper agreement than this bloody farce that has gone on for so long.


[–]GulsiTabbard 2 5
Sure, but Parliament rejected the deal.
So what do we do now? Just give up on Brexit because Parliament refused to pass the deal? So the idea that this was a decision dictated by the public was just a sham all along?
It's worth keeping in mind that no deal is not a destination, it is just an alternate direction. It would have been preferable to agree a deal before leaving the EU, but if the only option is to leave first and the negotiate a deal then so be it. Either way we will eventually end up with a deal.


[–]Sukyeas 1 4
So what do we do now?
Uh well... You could hold another vote asking if people want to remain or have a no deal Brexit for example?


[–]GulsiTabbard 0 4
There is not public support for a second referendum, and there is not parliamentary support for a second referendum.
We voted to leave the EU in 2016, and nothing has changed since. We then voted for a government in 2017 that actually had 'no deal is better than a bad deal' in their manifesto. Trying to find some way to weasel out of that is dishonest and toxic to our democracy.


[–]Sukyeas 1 4
There is not public support for a second referendum,
nonsense. There has been a petition for a second referendum which had the highest amount of signees ever in the history of the UK.
We voted to leave the EU in 2016
nope, not really. 16 million voted leave but not for no-deal leave. Everyone voted for another pipe dream of leave. The referendum had no plan for leave what so ever and no explanation what leave means. Also it was non binding, due to binding referendums being against the law.
We then voted for a government in 2017 that actually had 'no deal is better than a bad deal' in their manifesto.
Yeah, but you didnt. The Tories lost the majority after the election. They had to bribe the DUP to retain the majority in the house, which clearly means, that the majority does not want to leave (according to your logic).
Trying to find some way to weasel out of that is dishonest and toxic to our democracy.
yup. Exactly what you are trying. Something like this would never be an advisory single majority vote with such a margin. Changing something in another direction always needs to have a 2/3 majority, due to the fact, that a lot of people wont mobilize if they want the status quo.
Add on top of all that, that 2 million Brexit voter died since the referendum and another 1 million possible remain voters came to voting age since then.
TL;DR - your "arguments" bite your own ass and you actively fight against democracy.


[–]GulsiTabbard -16 5
Boris Johnson extending the government shutdown by a couple of weeks to focus on delivering the result of a national referendum is 'dictatorship'?
Parliament had a whole lengthy process where it was given the opportunity to propose and vote on alternative approaches to Brexit after they voted down the first deal that was presented. They failed to find a consensus on anything. It was a pathetic waste of time.
We have been suffocating businesses and EU citizens with uncertainty for three years now, largely because Parliament has used every opportunity it could to frustrate making progress. Brexit has been treated as a partisan issue by the opposition, rather than them seeking the best outcome for the country. If we end up leaving without a deal a portion of that blame lies with them .


[–]evilpercy 253 5
The EU has said many times they are done. There is no deal to negotiate. They only way to avoid this is to stop leaving the EU. The vote was based on lies that these politicians used to play on people's fears and gain attention.


[–]Graysim -7 5
There can still be a deal. For all he is, he does seem to be trying to force the EU to back down. This is simply to stop mps from taking away his only bargaining chip, cos the EU doesn't want no deal any more than the UK does.
As bad as no deal will be, I think we should at least pretend we are willing to do it to force the EUs hand. Otherwise we've no leg to stand on.


[–]acelenny -3 5
This is not actually true. He is not forcing a no deal situation. He can continue to work towards creating a new deal without parliment sitting however, the EU has stated that it will not negotiate. Therefore, if we cannot accept the current deal, there will be a no deal brexit regardless of whether or not parliment is in session.


[–]Jack_BE 17 5
Britain is currently part of the EU single market and has, through the EU, many trade deals with 3rd countries, but none of its own. It wants out of the EU, which will also take it out of the single market.
Normally this should be done with a deal dictating how this will happen, how the EU and UK will deal in the future, what transition period, etc. This smooths over the transition, and can keep the UK still relatively close to the EU economy since we're its largest trading partner.
Without a deal, come November 1st 0:00 the relationship between the UK and the EU, and pretty much the rest of the world for that matter, becomes that of any 2 nations without a trade deal, basically the same as the UK and say, Zimbabwe or North Korea. This means suddenly there are import tarrifs, border checks and inspections for goods, visas are needed to enter the UK as passports by itself are no longer enough.
In general, it suddenly makes it pretty hard for the UK to trade, and industries that rely on "just in time" manufacturing and transport are basically dead in the water.
Given that the UK imports A LOT of its daily neccesities, including food, this is not good news at all.
Same goes for export, especially services. London is the financial capital of the EU, but with a no deal brexit, no london based company may offer its financial services to a EU member anymore, which is a HUGE blow to London's international status, and economy.

[–]deltahalo241 23 5
UK controls tax havens, EU is cracking down on tax havens. Rich people get to stay rich.
Others have theorised that once the UK has a financial crash, the poor and middle class will start selling their assets (E.G. houses, cars) in order to stay afloat, which the rich will be able to swoop in and buy, as they won't be as seriously affected by the crash. Then they can rent the properties out to the poor and middle class and make even more money, whilst also increasing the wealth divide.