汉朝之后，100%的汉王朝就只有宋和明两个吗？我听说唐朝是鲜卑和突厥王朝。
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Is it true that after the Han dynasty, the only 100% Han Chinese dynasties were Song and Ming? I heard that the Tang dynasty was Xianbei and Turkic.
汉朝之后，100%的汉王朝就只有宋和明两个吗？我听说唐朝是鲜卑和突厥王朝。
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Is it true that after the Han dynasty, the only 100% Han Chinese dynasties were Song and Ming? I heard that the Tang dynasty was Xianbei and Turkic.
汉朝之后，100%的汉王朝就只有宋和明两个吗？我听说唐朝是鲜卑和突厥王朝。
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Andrew Lee
Asian ethnicity is a little complex. we need to go back 40,000 years to really understand.
We don’t have much to evidence of anything the further back we go in time. but we do know the ABCC11 gene disfunction mutation happened 40,000 years ago in what is now mongolia. This gene is shared between east asians but not found much in Whites, with less found the further westward you go as there would have been less mixing with central asians. The genetic trait is pretty much non-existant in africa.So as what most people think about when they think “asians” mongolians, koreans, chinese, japanese, eastern siberians, have a common starting point.
亚洲的族群有点复杂。 我们需要回溯到四万年前才能真正了解他们。 再往前追溯，我们也没有太多证据。 但我们已经知道ABCC11基因功能失调突变，发生在四万年前现在的蒙古。 这种基因在东亚人之间是共有的，但在白人身上发现的不多，越往西，发现的就越少，因为东亚与中亚人的混血也越少。 这种基因特征在非洲几乎不存在，所以当大多数人认为“亚洲人”是蒙古人，韩国人，中国人，日本人，东西伯利亚人时，他们的确有一个共同的起源。
The only other unique ethnic line that had easy access to these geographic regions was the one which started in modern day Taiwan, these islander peoples would later populate the pacific islands, with the ethnic group which started in India would trickle in the south western areas and islands. Mountains, frozen wastes, and great deserts made natural barriers cutting these people out from others for a long time.
另外唯一一条能方便进入这些地理区域的独特族群线，始于今天的台湾，这些岛民后来定居在太平洋岛屿上，而始于印度的族群则逐渐在西南地区和岛屿上流动。 山脉，冻土和大沙漠形成了天然屏障，使这些人长期与他人隔绝。
Obviously, on this issue, there is no way to apply the concept of modern men and women’s right to equality to correct the three views for the ancients. History is such a fact that has already taken place. Subjectively, it is unwilling to accept it, but its existence does exist.From the time of the Wuhu era, many emperors of the Hu dynasty accepted the Han Chinese descendants and gave birth to the emperor to inherit the throne. This situation is commonplace, even though the Manchu dynasty, is no exception. However, these emperors with Chinese descent have still identified themselves as Hu, not Han, and the dynasties they ruled did not become Han dynasties.
显然，在这个问题上，没有办法套用现代男女权利平等的观念来为古人纠正三观。 历史就是这样一个已经发生的事实。 从五胡时代开始，胡人的许多皇帝都接受了汉人妃子，并生下皇帝继承皇位。 这种情况司空见惯，即使满清也不例外。 但是，这些具有中国血统的皇帝仍然认定自己是胡人，而不是汉人，他们统治的朝代也没有成为汉人王朝。
According to the same criteria, since the emperor of the Hu nationality would not be considered a Han because the matriarchal ancestors were Chinese, why did the Han emperors also become descendants of the Hu because of the inclusion of the Hou descendants of the Hu family? Can reverse nationalists who hold this argument be able to justify it?Therefore, although the matriarchal ancestors of the Li-Tang royal family, such as Dou's, Dugu's and Chang's, were descendants of Xianbei, the identity of the Han family of the emperor in the Tang Dynasty did not have to be questioned. In the same way, if Zheng Chenggong's father is Han and his mother is Japanese, he is still 100% Chinese. Zheng Chenggong’s exploration of Taiwan has nothing to do with Japan.
按照同样的标准，既然胡人的皇帝不会因为母系祖先是中国人，而被认为是汉人，那么为什么汉人的皇帝，会因为是胡人妃子的后裔而成为胡人后裔呢？持此论调的反向民族主义者能否自圆其说呢？因此，李唐皇室的母系祖先如窦氏，独孤氏，常氏等虽为鲜卑后裔，但唐朝皇帝的汉家身份却不必质疑。 同理，如果郑成功的父亲是汉族，母亲是日本人，他还是百分之百的中国人。 郑成功对台湾的探索与日本无关。
Pun Anansakunwat
After Han Dynasty, Western Jin dynasty was a Han Chinese dynasty as well.However, after the fall of the Western Jin dynasty, the problem rose.The five tribes occupied the Northern part of China. They were NOT Han Chinese. However, they were sinicized over time in Northern Wei dynasty.The Tuoba imperial clan of Northern Wei started the sinicization campaign to make the Xianbei people “Chinese”.The campaign was very successful. In few generations, the Xianbei lost all their identities and became 100% Han Chinese in every aspect.Sui and Tang dynasties descended from the Northern Wei dynasty. If you take this into account, both dynasties were not 100% Han Chinese. However, they were not Turkic.After Tang, these ex-Xianbei people in the north never knew that they had Xianbei ancestors anymore. They become 100% Chinese, so we can safely conclude that Song dynasty were 100% Chinese.
汉之后，西晋也是汉人王朝，但西晋灭亡后，问题出现了，五大胡族占据了中国北方。 他们不是汉人。 北魏拓跋氏发动汉化运动，使鲜卑人“汉化”，并取得了巨大的成功。 鲜卑人在几代人的时间里，就失去了所有的民族认同，在各个方面都变成了百分之百的汉人。隋唐是北魏王朝的后裔。如果你考虑到这一点，两个朝代都不是100%的汉人。但他们也不是突厥人，唐以后，北方的这些前鲜卑人，再也不知道自己有鲜卑人祖先了。 他们变成了百分之百的中国人，所以我们可以有把握地断定宋朝是百分之百的中国王朝。
For Ming dynasty, it was quite clear. Hongwu Emperor and the empress came from the south. They were 100% Han Chinese.To conclude, Yes, only Song and Ming were Han Chinese, but Tang dynasty was not related to the Turks.
对于明朝来说，这是相当清楚的。洪武大帝和皇后都是南方来的。 他们是百分之百的汉人。总而言之，是的，汉朝之后，只有宋和明是纯粹的汉人王朝，但唐朝与突厥并没有关系。
David Kwa
Most Chinese dynasties start off with “barbaric” roots. Its a cycle after long isolation and stagnation, the Chinese would look outside to rejuvenate their civilization. Lets start with Zhou. Zhou started off with conquering Shang. Where did Zhou come from? ;) Next up we have the Qin. The Qin was from the West and considered “barbaric” by other states. Next is the Han. Han was founded by Chu who traded with southern barbarians (their language has some southern austro-asiatic influence). Even Ming’s founder, a han Chinese belonged to a white lotus society (similar to Zorostrianism and Christianity/Islam) which was foreign ideologically. He turned his back on them when he became Emperor. I can go on and on but in the end, they’re all Chinese because of one simple reason. Dynasty to dynasty, the Imperial language was and still is Chinese (Sino-Tibetan).
大多数中国朝代都起于“野蛮”。在长期孤立和停滞之后，中国人将目光投向外部，以振兴他们的文明，这是一个循环。 先从周说起。周从征服商开始。而周是从何而来的？下一个例子是秦。秦国来自西方，也被其他国家认为是“野蛮人”。 再下一个是汉。 汉朝是由楚建立而来的，楚国与南方的野蛮人进行贸易（他们的语言有一些南亚人的影响）。即使是明朝的创始人，一个汉人，也属于白莲教（类似于拜火教，基督教和伊斯兰教），在意识形态上属于外来的。 但他当上皇帝后，对它们置之不理。 我可以继续说下去，但最后，他们都是中国人，因为一个简单的原因。在各个朝代之间，帝国官方语言过去是，现在仍然是汉语（汉藏语系）。
Lucy Ma
actually apart from yuan and qing ,and some samll nation once bulid in chinese border , all dynasty are han dynasty.The tang are definately han dynasty ，some people make rumors about tang being turkic because that one of tang’s king li siming got like One eighth trukic blood form the Matrilineal line which does not mean anthing . if tang is turkic for that reason ,the the qing are definately han dynasty not a manchu one becasuse the king kangxi of qing who is actually half han by blood all form his Matrilineal line ,but no he is an manchu just like li siming is a han .
实际上，除了元，清，以及一些曾经在中国边境建立的小民族外，所有的朝代都是汉朝，唐朝是明确的汉王朝，有人谣传唐人是突厥人，因为唐王李世民有八分之一的母系突厥血统，这并不意味着什么。如果说唐朝是突厥王朝，那么清朝也成汉王朝，而不是满王朝了，因为清朝的康熙其实有一半汉族血统，来自他的母系。但不，他是满人，就像李世民是汉人一样。
Jefferson
If you really want to be serious,indeed the pure Han has disappeared in Shang Dynasty.Zhou Dynasty was an alliance of different groups of barbarians from the west part of China.It is meaningless to use nationalism to see China’s history for nationalism didn't exist in ancient China.
真要较真的话，的确，纯粹的汉在商代已经消失了。周朝是一个由来自中国西部的不同族群野蛮人组成的联盟。用民族主义看中国的历史，是没有意义的，因为中国古代并不存在民族主义。
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Andrew Lee
Asian ethnicity is a little complex. we need to go back 40,000 years to really understand.
We don’t have much to evidence of anything the further back we go in time. but we do know the ABCC11 gene disfunction mutation happened 40,000 years ago in what is now mongolia. This gene is shared between east asians but not found much in Whites, with less found the further westward you go as there would have been less mixing with central asians. The genetic trait is pretty much non-existant in africa.So as what most people think about when they think “asians” mongolians, koreans, chinese, japanese, eastern siberians, have a common starting point.
亚洲的族群有点复杂。 我们需要回溯到四万年前才能真正了解他们。 再往前追溯，我们也没有太多证据。 但我们已经知道ABCC11基因功能失调突变，发生在四万年前现在的蒙古。 这种基因在东亚人之间是共有的，但在白人身上发现的不多，越往西，发现的就越少，因为东亚与中亚人的混血也越少。 这种基因特征在非洲几乎不存在，所以当大多数人认为“亚洲人”是蒙古人，韩国人，中国人，日本人，东西伯利亚人时，他们的确有一个共同的起源。
The only other unique ethnic line that had easy access to these geographic regions was the one which started in modern day Taiwan, these islander peoples would later populate the pacific islands, with the ethnic group which started in India would trickle in the south western areas and islands. Mountains, frozen wastes, and great deserts made natural barriers cutting these people out from others for a long time.
另外唯一一条能方便进入这些地理区域的独特族群线，始于今天的台湾，这些岛民后来定居在太平洋岛屿上，而始于印度的族群则逐渐在西南地区和岛屿上流动。 山脉，冻土和大沙漠形成了天然屏障，使这些人长期与他人隔绝。
Obviously, on this issue, there is no way to apply the concept of modern men and women’s right to equality to correct the three views for the ancients. History is such a fact that has already taken place. Subjectively, it is unwilling to accept it, but its existence does exist.From the time of the Wuhu era, many emperors of the Hu dynasty accepted the Han Chinese descendants and gave birth to the emperor to inherit the throne. This situation is commonplace, even though the Manchu dynasty, is no exception. However, these emperors with Chinese descent have still identified themselves as Hu, not Han, and the dynasties they ruled did not become Han dynasties.
显然，在这个问题上，没有办法套用现代男女权利平等的观念来为古人纠正三观。 历史就是这样一个已经发生的事实。 从五胡时代开始，胡人的许多皇帝都接受了汉人妃子，并生下皇帝继承皇位。 这种情况司空见惯，即使满清也不例外。 但是，这些具有中国血统的皇帝仍然认定自己是胡人，而不是汉人，他们统治的朝代也没有成为汉人王朝。
According to the same criteria, since the emperor of the Hu nationality would not be considered a Han because the matriarchal ancestors were Chinese, why did the Han emperors also become descendants of the Hu because of the inclusion of the Hou descendants of the Hu family? Can reverse nationalists who hold this argument be able to justify it?Therefore, although the matriarchal ancestors of the Li-Tang royal family, such as Dou's, Dugu's and Chang's, were descendants of Xianbei, the identity of the Han family of the emperor in the Tang Dynasty did not have to be questioned. In the same way, if Zheng Chenggong's father is Han and his mother is Japanese, he is still 100% Chinese. Zheng Chenggong’s exploration of Taiwan has nothing to do with Japan.
按照同样的标准，既然胡人的皇帝不会因为母系祖先是中国人，而被认为是汉人，那么为什么汉人的皇帝，会因为是胡人妃子的后裔而成为胡人后裔呢？持此论调的反向民族主义者能否自圆其说呢？因此，李唐皇室的母系祖先如窦氏，独孤氏，常氏等虽为鲜卑后裔，但唐朝皇帝的汉家身份却不必质疑。 同理，如果郑成功的父亲是汉族，母亲是日本人，他还是百分之百的中国人。 郑成功对台湾的探索与日本无关。
Pun Anansakunwat
After Han Dynasty, Western Jin dynasty was a Han Chinese dynasty as well.However, after the fall of the Western Jin dynasty, the problem rose.The five tribes occupied the Northern part of China. They were NOT Han Chinese. However, they were sinicized over time in Northern Wei dynasty.The Tuoba imperial clan of Northern Wei started the sinicization campaign to make the Xianbei people “Chinese”.The campaign was very successful. In few generations, the Xianbei lost all their identities and became 100% Han Chinese in every aspect.Sui and Tang dynasties descended from the Northern Wei dynasty. If you take this into account, both dynasties were not 100% Han Chinese. However, they were not Turkic.After Tang, these ex-Xianbei people in the north never knew that they had Xianbei ancestors anymore. They become 100% Chinese, so we can safely conclude that Song dynasty were 100% Chinese.
汉之后，西晋也是汉人王朝，但西晋灭亡后，问题出现了，五大胡族占据了中国北方。 他们不是汉人。 北魏拓跋氏发动汉化运动，使鲜卑人“汉化”，并取得了巨大的成功。 鲜卑人在几代人的时间里，就失去了所有的民族认同，在各个方面都变成了百分之百的汉人。隋唐是北魏王朝的后裔。如果你考虑到这一点，两个朝代都不是100%的汉人。但他们也不是突厥人，唐以后，北方的这些前鲜卑人，再也不知道自己有鲜卑人祖先了。 他们变成了百分之百的中国人，所以我们可以有把握地断定宋朝是百分之百的中国王朝。
For Ming dynasty, it was quite clear. Hongwu Emperor and the empress came from the south. They were 100% Han Chinese.To conclude, Yes, only Song and Ming were Han Chinese, but Tang dynasty was not related to the Turks.
对于明朝来说，这是相当清楚的。洪武大帝和皇后都是南方来的。 他们是百分之百的汉人。总而言之，是的，汉朝之后，只有宋和明是纯粹的汉人王朝，但唐朝与突厥并没有关系。
David Kwa
Most Chinese dynasties start off with “barbaric” roots. Its a cycle after long isolation and stagnation, the Chinese would look outside to rejuvenate their civilization. Lets start with Zhou. Zhou started off with conquering Shang. Where did Zhou come from? ;) Next up we have the Qin. The Qin was from the West and considered “barbaric” by other states. Next is the Han. Han was founded by Chu who traded with southern barbarians (their language has some southern austro-asiatic influence). Even Ming’s founder, a han Chinese belonged to a white lotus society (similar to Zorostrianism and Christianity/Islam) which was foreign ideologically. He turned his back on them when he became Emperor. I can go on and on but in the end, they’re all Chinese because of one simple reason. Dynasty to dynasty, the Imperial language was and still is Chinese (Sino-Tibetan).
大多数中国朝代都起于“野蛮”。在长期孤立和停滞之后，中国人将目光投向外部，以振兴他们的文明，这是一个循环。 先从周说起。周从征服商开始。而周是从何而来的？下一个例子是秦。秦国来自西方，也被其他国家认为是“野蛮人”。 再下一个是汉。 汉朝是由楚建立而来的，楚国与南方的野蛮人进行贸易（他们的语言有一些南亚人的影响）。即使是明朝的创始人，一个汉人，也属于白莲教（类似于拜火教，基督教和伊斯兰教），在意识形态上属于外来的。 但他当上皇帝后，对它们置之不理。 我可以继续说下去，但最后，他们都是中国人，因为一个简单的原因。在各个朝代之间，帝国官方语言过去是，现在仍然是汉语（汉藏语系）。
Lucy Ma
actually apart from yuan and qing ,and some samll nation once bulid in chinese border , all dynasty are han dynasty.The tang are definately han dynasty ，some people make rumors about tang being turkic because that one of tang’s king li siming got like One eighth trukic blood form the Matrilineal line which does not mean anthing . if tang is turkic for that reason ,the the qing are definately han dynasty not a manchu one becasuse the king kangxi of qing who is actually half han by blood all form his Matrilineal line ,but no he is an manchu just like li siming is a han .
实际上，除了元，清，以及一些曾经在中国边境建立的小民族外，所有的朝代都是汉朝，唐朝是明确的汉王朝，有人谣传唐人是突厥人，因为唐王李世民有八分之一的母系突厥血统，这并不意味着什么。如果说唐朝是突厥王朝，那么清朝也成汉王朝，而不是满王朝了，因为清朝的康熙其实有一半汉族血统，来自他的母系。但不，他是满人，就像李世民是汉人一样。
Jefferson
If you really want to be serious,indeed the pure Han has disappeared in Shang Dynasty.Zhou Dynasty was an alliance of different groups of barbarians from the west part of China.It is meaningless to use nationalism to see China’s history for nationalism didn't exist in ancient China.
真要较真的话，的确，纯粹的汉在商代已经消失了。周朝是一个由来自中国西部的不同族群野蛮人组成的联盟。用民族主义看中国的历史，是没有意义的，因为中国古代并不存在民族主义。
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