因凡蒂诺力挺卡塔尔：欧洲过去3000年的作为，未来3000年都该道歉
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Sky News: FIFA chief Gianni Infantino hits out at Qatar criticism saying European countries should instead 'be apologising for the next 3,000 years'
因凡蒂诺力挺卡塔尔：欧洲过去3000年的作为，未来3000年都该道歉
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Sky News: FIFA chief Gianni Infantino hits out at Qatar criticism saying European countries should instead 'be apologising for the next 3,000 years'
因凡蒂诺力挺卡塔尔：欧洲过去3000年的作为，未来3000年都该道歉
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deez_treez
How much money did you take, bro? The key is subtlety when it comes to bribe taking or we all will know you did it.
兄弟，你收了人家多少钱？受贿的关键在润物细无声，否则我们都知道你受贿了。
How much money did you take, bro? The key is subtlety when it comes to bribe taking or we all will know you did it.
兄弟，你收了人家多少钱？受贿的关键在润物细无声，否则我们都知道你受贿了。
PhyneasPhysicsPhrog
I really don’t like how he justifies executing gays and slave labor by saying Europe did it 180 years ago. FIFA is a repulsive, small minded organization. It’s already come out that they were bribed, they’re just trying to distract us by playing the race card.
我真的不喜欢他对处决同性恋和奴隶劳工的辩护中提到欧洲在180年前就这么做了。国际足联是一个令人厌恶、心胸狭窄的组织。已经有消息说他们被贿赂了，他们只是想通过打种族牌来转移大家的注意力。
I really don’t like how he justifies executing gays and slave labor by saying Europe did it 180 years ago. FIFA is a repulsive, small minded organization. It’s already come out that they were bribed, they’re just trying to distract us by playing the race card.
我真的不喜欢他对处决同性恋和奴隶劳工的辩护中提到欧洲在180年前就这么做了。国际足联是一个令人厌恶、心胸狭窄的组织。已经有消息说他们被贿赂了，他们只是想通过打种族牌来转移大家的注意力。
It’s funny he’s basically saying it’s ok that 6,000 brown people died as slaves today, because it happened 180 years ago in Europe.
有趣的是，他基本上是在说今天6000名棕色人种作为奴隶死去是没关系的，因为这发生在180年前的欧洲。
有趣的是，他基本上是在说今天6000名棕色人种作为奴隶死去是没关系的，因为这发生在180年前的欧洲。
Edit: in a comment thread I have a Qatari claiming executions are part of his culture…
更新:在我的评论帖子里，一个卡塔尔人声称死刑是他们文化的一部分…
更新:在我的评论帖子里，一个卡塔尔人声称死刑是他们文化的一部分…
nospoilershere
The rebuttal to "[Country] did something bad" usually involves some kind of whataboutism. There really isn't any strong argument against trying to be better as a world and end the bad things that we used to do, so people have to rely on the "Europe/USA used to do it, so why can't non-western countries have their fair shake at it?" argument.
对“[国家]做了坏事”的反驳通常包含某种“你也一样”主义。要让世界变得更好，终结我们过去做的坏事，这样的回答真的没有说服力，所以人们不得不依赖于“欧洲、美国过去经常这样做，所以为什么非西方国家不能在这方面得到公平的对待?”
The rebuttal to "[Country] did something bad" usually involves some kind of whataboutism. There really isn't any strong argument against trying to be better as a world and end the bad things that we used to do, so people have to rely on the "Europe/USA used to do it, so why can't non-western countries have their fair shake at it?" argument.
对“[国家]做了坏事”的反驳通常包含某种“你也一样”主义。要让世界变得更好，终结我们过去做的坏事，这样的回答真的没有说服力，所以人们不得不依赖于“欧洲、美国过去经常这样做，所以为什么非西方国家不能在这方面得到公平的对待?”
Rent-a-guru
Which is such an inane argument since the Arab world has had a tradition of slavery for well over a thousand years. They've well and truly had "their fair shake at it". It's time for them to grow a conscience and move on, just like the West did, better late than never.
这是个非常愚蠢的理由，因为阿拉伯世界有超过千年的奴隶制传统。他们已经真正做到了“公平竞争”。是时候良心发现，继续前进了，就像西方那样，迟做总比不做好。
Which is such an inane argument since the Arab world has had a tradition of slavery for well over a thousand years. They've well and truly had "their fair shake at it". It's time for them to grow a conscience and move on, just like the West did, better late than never.
这是个非常愚蠢的理由，因为阿拉伯世界有超过千年的奴隶制传统。他们已经真正做到了“公平竞争”。是时候良心发现，继续前进了，就像西方那样，迟做总比不做好。
ALL_CAPS_VOICE
"Europe/USA used to do it
I agree with your general point, but there's no used to about it. The West continues to this day to be quite happy to quietly use slave labor.
e: all the people downvoting me, where do you think the rare earth metals in the computer you used to do so came from? Where does your coffee come from? Where does your chocolate come from?
【欧洲、美国过去经常这样做】
我同意你的大致观点，但是并不是经常这么做。直到今天，西方仍然很乐意悄悄使用奴隶劳工。
更新：那么多人踩我，你认为你们踩我的电脑里的稀土金属是从哪里来的?你的咖啡来自哪里?你的巧克力来自哪里?
"Europe/USA used to do it
I agree with your general point, but there's no used to about it. The West continues to this day to be quite happy to quietly use slave labor.
e: all the people downvoting me, where do you think the rare earth metals in the computer you used to do so came from? Where does your coffee come from? Where does your chocolate come from?
【欧洲、美国过去经常这样做】
我同意你的大致观点，但是并不是经常这么做。直到今天，西方仍然很乐意悄悄使用奴隶劳工。
更新：那么多人踩我，你认为你们踩我的电脑里的稀土金属是从哪里来的?你的咖啡来自哪里?你的巧克力来自哪里?
LNhart
Well, not from Europe or the US...
好吧，不来自欧洲，也不来自美国
Well, not from Europe or the US...
好吧，不来自欧洲，也不来自美国
ALL_CAPS_VOICE
The answer is slave labor.
But I guess owning slaves and paying someone else who owns slaves are two totally and completely different things.
Gotta love capitalism.
答案是奴工。
不过我认为拥有奴隶和向拥有奴隶的人付钱是两个完全不同的事情。
必须热爱资本主义。
The answer is slave labor.
But I guess owning slaves and paying someone else who owns slaves are two totally and completely different things.
Gotta love capitalism.
答案是奴工。
不过我认为拥有奴隶和向拥有奴隶的人付钱是两个完全不同的事情。
必须热爱资本主义。
Eplerud
Norwegian head coach summed it up pretty neatly by saying -
«I don’t think Infantino is a good historian nor a good sport official. And above all the least qualified to lecture people on morality and ethics»
挪威主教练总结得很好，他说:
“我认为因凡蒂诺不是个好的历史学家，也不是个好的体育官员。尤其是最没有资格向人们讲授道德和伦理的人。
Norwegian head coach summed it up pretty neatly by saying -
«I don’t think Infantino is a good historian nor a good sport official. And above all the least qualified to lecture people on morality and ethics»
挪威主教练总结得很好，他说:
“我认为因凡蒂诺不是个好的历史学家，也不是个好的体育官员。尤其是最没有资格向人们讲授道德和伦理的人。
alterom
That's the firmest and politest way to assert that Infantino is infantile
这是宣称因凡蒂诺幼稚的最坚定、最礼貌的方式
That's the firmest and politest way to assert that Infantino is infantile
这是宣称因凡蒂诺幼稚的最坚定、最礼貌的方式
supercyberlurker
It's definitely an eloquent way of calling him a shitty dumbass who sucks at his job.
这绝对是用很有说服力的方式来称呼他是个工作表现很糟糕的笨蛋。
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It's definitely an eloquent way of calling him a shitty dumbass who sucks at his job.
这绝对是用很有说服力的方式来称呼他是个工作表现很糟糕的笨蛋。
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Robottiimu2000
Brutal. I love it.
很暴力，我喜欢。
Brutal. I love it.
很暴力，我喜欢。
StormtrooperMJS
All this because Australia couldn't afford the bribe.
这一切都是因为澳大利亚给不起贿赂。
All this because Australia couldn't afford the bribe.
这一切都是因为澳大利亚给不起贿赂。
stwnpthd
So in 3000 years I want someone from Qatar to apologize for this tournament
所以三千年后，我希望卡塔尔有人为这次比赛道歉
So in 3000 years I want someone from Qatar to apologize for this tournament
所以三千年后，我希望卡塔尔有人为这次比赛道歉
theycallmeasloth
The absolute cunt of a human being can't even get his facts right
"“No one wanted to take Afghan women refugees who play football except Albania”
Melbourne Victory (from Australia not Albania) supported and managed the Afghan Women's National Team and entered them into Victoria's State League 4.
This cunt is as corrupt and clueless as his predecessors
一个连事实都搞不清楚的傻波衣。
“除了阿尔巴尼亚，没有人愿意接收踢阿富汗女足难民。”
墨尔本胜利(来自澳大利亚而不是阿尔巴尼亚)支持和管理阿富汗女子国家队，并让她们参加维多利亚州4级联赛。
这个傻波衣和他的前任一样腐败无知
The absolute cunt of a human being can't even get his facts right
"“No one wanted to take Afghan women refugees who play football except Albania”
Melbourne Victory (from Australia not Albania) supported and managed the Afghan Women's National Team and entered them into Victoria's State League 4.
This cunt is as corrupt and clueless as his predecessors
一个连事实都搞不清楚的傻波衣。
“除了阿尔巴尼亚，没有人愿意接收踢阿富汗女足难民。”
墨尔本胜利(来自澳大利亚而不是阿尔巴尼亚)支持和管理阿富汗女子国家队，并让她们参加维多利亚州4级联赛。
这个傻波衣和他的前任一样腐败无知
theycallmeasloth
Also fun fact. Their first game was against ETA Buffalo, a club which was set up by East Timorese refugees
还有一个有趣的事实。他们的第一场比赛是对阵埃塔布法罗俱乐部，这是一个由东帝汶难民建立的俱乐部
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Also fun fact. Their first game was against ETA Buffalo, a club which was set up by East Timorese refugees
还有一个有趣的事实。他们的第一场比赛是对阵埃塔布法罗俱乐部，这是一个由东帝汶难民建立的俱乐部
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Shawmattack01
Why hasn't FIFA been shut down yet? It's basically a mafia.
为什么国际足联还没有关门？这根本就是个黑手党组织。
Why hasn't FIFA been shut down yet? It's basically a mafia.
为什么国际足联还没有关门？这根本就是个黑手党组织。
Moss_is_Boss_
You just answered your own question.
你已经回答了自己的问题。
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You just answered your own question.
你已经回答了自己的问题。
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jesus_you_turn_me_on
Somebody would have to create a new football governing body, and convince every single federation to convert over.
必须有人创建新的足球管理机构，然后说服每个足协转过来。
Somebody would have to create a new football governing body, and convince every single federation to convert over.
必须有人创建新的足球管理机构，然后说服每个足协转过来。
Though realistically if the European countries together with Argentina and Brazil simply boycott FIFA, then it would be enough to take down FIFA. Without those markets FIFA will neither have a product to sell or govern, the remaining federations would jump ship to join EU + Argentina and Brazil.
虽然说如果欧洲国家与阿根廷和巴西一起抵制国际足联，就足以扳倒国际足联。如果没有这些市场，国际足联就没有产品可卖，也没有办法管理，剩下的足协就会加入欧盟+阿根廷和巴西的行列。
虽然说如果欧洲国家与阿根廷和巴西一起抵制国际足联，就足以扳倒国际足联。如果没有这些市场，国际足联就没有产品可卖，也没有办法管理，剩下的足协就会加入欧盟+阿根廷和巴西的行列。
weirdkittenNC
There's been talk about UEFA and the South American counterpart leaving FIFA and doing their own thing instead. Mostly because of the biannual world cup FIFA wants, but it would be a nice fuck you either way.
有传言说欧足联和南美足联将脱离国际足联，只举行自己的联赛。主要是因为国际足联希望一年办两次世界杯，但不管怎样，这都是一种很好的拿捏国际足联的方式。
There's been talk about UEFA and the South American counterpart leaving FIFA and doing their own thing instead. Mostly because of the biannual world cup FIFA wants, but it would be a nice fuck you either way.
有传言说欧足联和南美足联将脱离国际足联，只举行自己的联赛。主要是因为国际足联希望一年办两次世界杯，但不管怎样，这都是一种很好的拿捏国际足联的方式。
agnostic_science
Short-answer: Money and popularity.
简而言之:金钱和声望。
Short-answer: Money and popularity.
简而言之:金钱和声望。
longtermbrit
The most egregious stuff aside, he also tried to defend the u-turn on alcohol sales by saying they tried to make it work but it didn't pan out. They had 12 years (plus however long it took to agree that Qatar would be host) to figure out if alcohol would be available and they waited until all the investments and sponsorships and ticket sales were done before saying "actually nah, unless you're minted". They weren't hashing it out right up to the line, they were waiting until it was too late to make adjustments.
抛开最恶劣的事情不谈，他还试图为酒类销售的180度大转弯辩护，称他们努力说服主办方不禁酒，但是没有成功。他们有12年的时间(加上同意卡塔尔成为主办国所花的时间)来弄清楚是否可以买到酒，结果却等到所有投资、赞助都到位，所有门票都销售完成后才说:“实际上不行，除非你很有钱”。他们并没有直接解决问题，而是等到为时已晚才做出调整。
The most egregious stuff aside, he also tried to defend the u-turn on alcohol sales by saying they tried to make it work but it didn't pan out. They had 12 years (plus however long it took to agree that Qatar would be host) to figure out if alcohol would be available and they waited until all the investments and sponsorships and ticket sales were done before saying "actually nah, unless you're minted". They weren't hashing it out right up to the line, they were waiting until it was too late to make adjustments.
抛开最恶劣的事情不谈，他还试图为酒类销售的180度大转弯辩护，称他们努力说服主办方不禁酒，但是没有成功。他们有12年的时间(加上同意卡塔尔成为主办国所花的时间)来弄清楚是否可以买到酒，结果却等到所有投资、赞助都到位，所有门票都销售完成后才说:“实际上不行，除非你很有钱”。他们并没有直接解决问题，而是等到为时已晚才做出调整。
PresentationalAle
at least budwiser can afford good lawyers
至少百威请得起好律师
at least budwiser can afford good lawyers
至少百威请得起好律师
SamHinkieKnew
“As a child I was bullied - because I had red hair and freckles, plus I was Italian so imagine.”
Imagine having a husband/father/son/brother die in the year of our lord 2022 (!) building a stadium/hotel/road in abhorrent working conditions for a sports tournament that awards a little golden trophy and then seeing the head of the organization that enabled your tragedy compare your indescribable loss to the bullying he received as a kid because of his hair color and complexion. Pathetic.
【“当我还是孩子的时候，就被欺负过——因为我红色的头发和雀斑，再加上我是意大利人，想象一下吧。”】
想象一下，耶稣纪元2022年，一个丈夫、父亲、儿子、兄弟修建体育赛事所用的体育场、酒店、道路的时候因为工作条件太恶劣而死亡，这些设施就是为了颁布小小的金色奖杯，当看到导致悲剧的组织领导将你难以描述的损失与他小时候因为头发颜色和肤色而受到的欺凌进行比较。真可悲。
“As a child I was bullied - because I had red hair and freckles, plus I was Italian so imagine.”
Imagine having a husband/father/son/brother die in the year of our lord 2022 (!) building a stadium/hotel/road in abhorrent working conditions for a sports tournament that awards a little golden trophy and then seeing the head of the organization that enabled your tragedy compare your indescribable loss to the bullying he received as a kid because of his hair color and complexion. Pathetic.
【“当我还是孩子的时候，就被欺负过——因为我红色的头发和雀斑，再加上我是意大利人，想象一下吧。”】
想象一下，耶稣纪元2022年，一个丈夫、父亲、儿子、兄弟修建体育赛事所用的体育场、酒店、道路的时候因为工作条件太恶劣而死亡，这些设施就是为了颁布小小的金色奖杯，当看到导致悲剧的组织领导将你难以描述的损失与他小时候因为头发颜色和肤色而受到的欺凌进行比较。真可悲。
YoungLittlePanda
“As a child I was bullied - because I had red hair and freckles, plus I was Italian so imagine.”
In Switzerland. Must have been terrible, poor guy.
Definitely comparable to dying being a slave.
【“当我还是孩子的时候，就被欺负过——因为我红色的头发和雀斑，再加上我是意大利人，想象一下吧。”】
在瑞士。一定很糟糕吧，可怜的家伙。
绝对可以和死去的奴隶相提并论。
“As a child I was bullied - because I had red hair and freckles, plus I was Italian so imagine.”
In Switzerland. Must have been terrible, poor guy.
Definitely comparable to dying being a slave.
【“当我还是孩子的时候，就被欺负过——因为我红色的头发和雀斑，再加上我是意大利人，想象一下吧。”】
在瑞士。一定很糟糕吧，可怜的家伙。
绝对可以和死去的奴隶相提并论。
showmethecoin
Hello, my European friends. I am from South Korea. We never colonized other nation. We never went into offensive war in the last 1000 years. We were actually colonized by imperial Japan.
So I suppose that makes me qualified, and in behalf of all Europe, I will say 'fuck Qatar'.
欧洲朋友们。我来自韩国。我们从未殖民过其他国家。在过去的1000年里，我们从未发动过进攻性战争。实际上我们曾经是日本帝国的殖民地。
所以我想我有资格代表整个欧洲，那我就要说“去他么的卡塔尔”。
Hello, my European friends. I am from South Korea. We never colonized other nation. We never went into offensive war in the last 1000 years. We were actually colonized by imperial Japan.
So I suppose that makes me qualified, and in behalf of all Europe, I will say 'fuck Qatar'.
欧洲朋友们。我来自韩国。我们从未殖民过其他国家。在过去的1000年里，我们从未发动过进攻性战争。实际上我们曾经是日本帝国的殖民地。
所以我想我有资格代表整个欧洲，那我就要说“去他么的卡塔尔”。
pickledswimmingpool
Kpop colonized my playlists, what have you got to say for yourself?
韩国流行音乐占领了我的歌单，你有什么要说的?
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Kpop colonized my playlists, what have you got to say for yourself?
韩国流行音乐占领了我的歌单，你有什么要说的?
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khakansson
Cultural victory? Korea usually goes for Science.
文化胜利?韩国通常喜欢科学。
Cultural victory? Korea usually goes for Science.
文化胜利?韩国通常喜欢科学。
couple4hire
excusing modern day slavery with things 300-3000 years ago that no longer applies, pretty sure all modern western society have agreed slavery was wrong and actively is now against it, so why bring up the past.
用300-3000年前的事情为今天的奴隶制开脱，现在已经不好使了，所有现代西方社会都认可奴隶制是错误的，西方社会现在积极反对奴隶制，所以为什么要提起过去的事。
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excusing modern day slavery with things 300-3000 years ago that no longer applies, pretty sure all modern western society have agreed slavery was wrong and actively is now against it, so why bring up the past.
用300-3000年前的事情为今天的奴隶制开脱，现在已经不好使了，所有现代西方社会都认可奴隶制是错误的，西方社会现在积极反对奴隶制，所以为什么要提起过去的事。
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Winstonoceaniasmith
This man is an embarrassment of a human being who knows little of history and less of justice.
Europe having done bad things for three hundred years does not entitle others to do as such indefinitely going forward especially when this region of the world has been doing just as bad for just as long .
At least Europe stopped.
这个人不懂历史更不懂正义，简直是人类的耻辱。
欧洲已经做了三百年的坏事，但这并不意味着其他国家有资格无限期地做同样的事情，特别是这个地区已经做了很久的坏事了。
至少欧洲现在不做了。
This man is an embarrassment of a human being who knows little of history and less of justice.
Europe having done bad things for three hundred years does not entitle others to do as such indefinitely going forward especially when this region of the world has been doing just as bad for just as long .
At least Europe stopped.
这个人不懂历史更不懂正义，简直是人类的耻辱。
欧洲已经做了三百年的坏事，但这并不意味着其他国家有资格无限期地做同样的事情，特别是这个地区已经做了很久的坏事了。
至少欧洲现在不做了。
GreyHexagon
Longer. This part of the world had a slave trade before Europe even had permanent settlements. And they still haven't decided if it's bad or not.
时间更久。在欧洲永久定居之前，这个地区就已经有了奴隶贸易。到现在这里还没确定这么做是好事还是坏事。
Longer. This part of the world had a slave trade before Europe even had permanent settlements. And they still haven't decided if it's bad or not.
时间更久。在欧洲永久定居之前，这个地区就已经有了奴隶贸易。到现在这里还没确定这么做是好事还是坏事。
AnonymityIsForChumps
Who cares what they or anyone did a century ago? The question is what are people doing today.
Today, the head of FIFA is a bad person because he enables the enslavement of other humans. That's bad.
And anyone in Europe who does the same today is also bad.
谁在乎他们或者某人一百年前做了什么?问题是今天的人们在做什么。
如今的国际足联主席是个坏人，因为他使奴役他人成为可能。这是不好的。
今天欧洲做同样事情的人也是坏人。
Who cares what they or anyone did a century ago? The question is what are people doing today.
Today, the head of FIFA is a bad person because he enables the enslavement of other humans. That's bad.
And anyone in Europe who does the same today is also bad.
谁在乎他们或者某人一百年前做了什么?问题是今天的人们在做什么。
如今的国际足联主席是个坏人，因为他使奴役他人成为可能。这是不好的。
今天欧洲做同样事情的人也是坏人。
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