国外QA:上帝为什么创造我们?（四）
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Why did God create us?
上帝为什么创造我们?
上帝为什么创造我们?
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Trevor
If god created the universe, who created god? If he simply 'exists' without creation, can't the same argument be made about the universe? It exists without creation?
One argument I hear all the time is that nothing can exist without a prime mover, a god. The argument is based on a false assumption, that the universe is a creation. Theists will argue that anything created has to have a creator. Your question is a perfect argument against that belief. If a creation needs a creator, then who created god? If some other god created god, then who created that god? On and on we go...
如果上帝创造了宇宙，那么是谁创造了上帝呢？如果上帝只是“存在”而没有被创造，难道不能用同样的论点来论述宇宙吗？它也是没有被创造的存在？
我经常听到的一个论点是，没有初动力源、没有上帝，什么都不能存在。这个论点基于一个错误的假设，即宇宙是被创造的。有神论者会争辩说，任何被创造的东西都必须有一个创造者。你的问题对这种信仰提出了一个完美的反驳。如果一个创造物需要有一个创造者，那么是谁创造了上帝呢？如果另一个神创造了上帝，那么又是谁创造了那个神呢？一环套一环...
If god created the universe, who created god? If he simply 'exists' without creation, can't the same argument be made about the universe? It exists without creation?
One argument I hear all the time is that nothing can exist without a prime mover, a god. The argument is based on a false assumption, that the universe is a creation. Theists will argue that anything created has to have a creator. Your question is a perfect argument against that belief. If a creation needs a creator, then who created god? If some other god created god, then who created that god? On and on we go...
如果上帝创造了宇宙，那么是谁创造了上帝呢？如果上帝只是“存在”而没有被创造，难道不能用同样的论点来论述宇宙吗？它也是没有被创造的存在？
我经常听到的一个论点是，没有初动力源、没有上帝，什么都不能存在。这个论点基于一个错误的假设，即宇宙是被创造的。有神论者会争辩说，任何被创造的东西都必须有一个创造者。你的问题对这种信仰提出了一个完美的反驳。如果一个创造物需要有一个创造者，那么是谁创造了上帝呢？如果另一个神创造了上帝，那么又是谁创造了那个神呢？一环套一环...
Let's entertain the idea that the universe was created by some intelligence, like a god. Would god be personally involved in each individual's life? If so, then we must conclude that he is sadistic or uncaring. He has allowed countless people to die from natural disasters, diseases, wars, murder, and accidents. This includes babies and children. He sees everything, correct? Then he must see a little girl getting brutally raped and murdered. He must see a person suffer from a disease that ravages their body, distorts their mind, and kills them (sometimes slowly). He must see people killing in his name. He causes asteroids to hit planets and other celestial bodies. He causes or allows stars to explode, potentially killing life on surrounding planets. He allegedly heals some people of sickness, but lets others die. It doesn't make sense. I know theists will pull out the old "free will" card, but that's an invalid argument. First of all, free will implies that there is both good and evil. If god is good, then how did the concept of evil ever come about? Is their iniquity in god?
让我们接受这样的想法:宇宙是由某种智慧创造的，比如上帝。那么上帝是否会亲自参与每个个体的生活呢？如果是这样，那么我们必须得出结论，他是残酷无情的。他允许包括婴儿和儿童在内的无数人死于自然灾害、疾病、战争、谋杀和事故。他了解一切，对吗？那么他必须看到一个小女孩遭到残忍的强奸和谋杀。他必定看到一个人遭受一种疾病的折磨，这种疾病蹂躏他们的身体，扭曲他们的思想，并杀死他们(有时是缓慢的)。他一定看到有人以他的名义杀人。他使小行星撞击行星和其他天体。他导致或允许恒星爆炸，可能会杀死周围行星上的生命。据说他治愈了一些人的疾病，却让另一些人死去。这说不通啊。我知道有神论者会搬出“自由意志”这张老牌，但这是一个无效的论点。首先，自由意志意味着有善也有恶。如果上帝是善的，那么邪恶的概念是如何产生的呢?上帝有罪吗？
让我们接受这样的想法:宇宙是由某种智慧创造的，比如上帝。那么上帝是否会亲自参与每个个体的生活呢？如果是这样，那么我们必须得出结论，他是残酷无情的。他允许包括婴儿和儿童在内的无数人死于自然灾害、疾病、战争、谋杀和事故。他了解一切，对吗？那么他必须看到一个小女孩遭到残忍的强奸和谋杀。他必定看到一个人遭受一种疾病的折磨，这种疾病蹂躏他们的身体，扭曲他们的思想，并杀死他们(有时是缓慢的)。他一定看到有人以他的名义杀人。他使小行星撞击行星和其他天体。他导致或允许恒星爆炸，可能会杀死周围行星上的生命。据说他治愈了一些人的疾病，却让另一些人死去。这说不通啊。我知道有神论者会搬出“自由意志”这张老牌，但这是一个无效的论点。首先，自由意志意味着有善也有恶。如果上帝是善的，那么邪恶的概念是如何产生的呢?上帝有罪吗？
Martin Dim
If God doesn't need us, then why else did He create us?
Good day. God does not create anything without a purpose and the purpose for us according to Genesis 1 is for dominion over earth. God’s plan is for us to be god on earth dominating earth but, Satan through religion robbed us of our God given right.
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
如果上帝不需要我们，那么他创造我们还有其他原因吗？
美好的一天。上帝不会毫无目的地创造任何东西，根据《创世纪》第1章的说法，我们的目的是统治地球。上帝的计划是让我们在地球上成为支配者，但是，撒旦通过宗教剥夺了我们与生俱来的权利。
创世纪1:26，上帝说：“我们要照着我们的形像、按着我们的样式造人，使他们管理海里的鱼、空中的飞鸟、地上的牲畜和整个地球和地球上爬行的一切昆虫。”
创世纪1:27 ，于是上帝照着自己的形像造人，就是照着他的形像创造了男人和女人。
创世纪1:28 ，上帝就赐福给他们，又对他们说：“你们要多生育，让人类足迹遍布地球，治理这地，也要管理海里的鱼、空中的飞鸟和地上各样行动的活物。”
If God doesn't need us, then why else did He create us?
Good day. God does not create anything without a purpose and the purpose for us according to Genesis 1 is for dominion over earth. God’s plan is for us to be god on earth dominating earth but, Satan through religion robbed us of our God given right.
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
如果上帝不需要我们，那么他创造我们还有其他原因吗？
美好的一天。上帝不会毫无目的地创造任何东西，根据《创世纪》第1章的说法，我们的目的是统治地球。上帝的计划是让我们在地球上成为支配者，但是，撒旦通过宗教剥夺了我们与生俱来的权利。
创世纪1:26，上帝说：“我们要照着我们的形像、按着我们的样式造人，使他们管理海里的鱼、空中的飞鸟、地上的牲畜和整个地球和地球上爬行的一切昆虫。”
创世纪1:27 ，于是上帝照着自己的形像造人，就是照着他的形像创造了男人和女人。
创世纪1:28 ，上帝就赐福给他们，又对他们说：“你们要多生育，让人类足迹遍布地球，治理这地，也要管理海里的鱼、空中的飞鸟和地上各样行动的活物。”
Jinfan Li
What was God’s purpose for creating life?
Just look around and see that life is always self-renewing and that is always propagating itself.
A tree bears fruit, the fruit falls onto the soil and sprouts a new tree. We see two separate lifes because our perception is fixated on form, but on deeper inspection its really just one continuous life moving through various finite forms that it temporarily embodies.
As the surface of the ocean evaporates, it turns into clouds, the clouds turn into rain, and the rain becomes the ocean again. There is endless births and deaths, but Life continues to move through them, and through the various forms of Life can we witness the movement.
So life and its forms, creator and its creations... How can they be separate if one can only conceive the existence of the former through the physical manifestation of the latter? Just as without light there would be no colours, and without colours there wouldn't be the recognition of a light source existing somewhere.
So, what is man's purpose in creating music, art, and writing poetry? Do these expressions of creativity require a purpose to come into existence, or is it that creative impulses just naturally materialize itself because to create is the purpose?
上帝创造生命的目的是什么？
只要环顾四周，就会发现生命总是在自我更新，总是在自我传播。
一棵树结出果实，果实掉到土壤上，然后长出一棵新树。我们看到了两种不同的生命，因为我们的感知被固定在形式上，但深入观察表明，实际上只是一种通过各种有限形式暂时具体化的连续生命。
随着海洋表面的蒸发，它变成了云，云变成了雨，雨又变成了海洋。生与死是无穷无尽的，但生命却不断地在其中移动，通过生命的各种形式，我们可以见证这种运动。
所以生命和它的形式，创造者和它的创造物……如果一个人只能通过后者的物理表现来想象前者的存在，它们怎么能分开呢?就像没有光就没有颜色一样，没有颜色就不会有某处存在光源的认识。
那么，人类创造音乐、艺术和写诗的目的是什么呢?这些创造力的表达是否需要一个目的才会出现，还是因为创造就是目的，所以创造冲动就自然而然地实现了
What was God’s purpose for creating life?
Just look around and see that life is always self-renewing and that is always propagating itself.
A tree bears fruit, the fruit falls onto the soil and sprouts a new tree. We see two separate lifes because our perception is fixated on form, but on deeper inspection its really just one continuous life moving through various finite forms that it temporarily embodies.
As the surface of the ocean evaporates, it turns into clouds, the clouds turn into rain, and the rain becomes the ocean again. There is endless births and deaths, but Life continues to move through them, and through the various forms of Life can we witness the movement.
So life and its forms, creator and its creations... How can they be separate if one can only conceive the existence of the former through the physical manifestation of the latter? Just as without light there would be no colours, and without colours there wouldn't be the recognition of a light source existing somewhere.
So, what is man's purpose in creating music, art, and writing poetry? Do these expressions of creativity require a purpose to come into existence, or is it that creative impulses just naturally materialize itself because to create is the purpose?
上帝创造生命的目的是什么？
只要环顾四周，就会发现生命总是在自我更新，总是在自我传播。
一棵树结出果实，果实掉到土壤上，然后长出一棵新树。我们看到了两种不同的生命，因为我们的感知被固定在形式上，但深入观察表明，实际上只是一种通过各种有限形式暂时具体化的连续生命。
随着海洋表面的蒸发，它变成了云，云变成了雨，雨又变成了海洋。生与死是无穷无尽的，但生命却不断地在其中移动，通过生命的各种形式，我们可以见证这种运动。
所以生命和它的形式，创造者和它的创造物……如果一个人只能通过后者的物理表现来想象前者的存在，它们怎么能分开呢?就像没有光就没有颜色一样，没有颜色就不会有某处存在光源的认识。
那么，人类创造音乐、艺术和写诗的目的是什么呢?这些创造力的表达是否需要一个目的才会出现，还是因为创造就是目的，所以创造冲动就自然而然地实现了
Jason Estes
Why can't God create another God ?
The argument is basically this "Can God create a stone that is too heavy for God to lift?". If he can then he isn't omnipotent because he cannot lift the stone. If he can't he isn't omnipotent because he can't create such a stone. Apologists have already addressed this problem by changing the definition of omnipotence. Shocking, am I right?
I am not arguing that God or Gods cannot exist. But it is definitively provable that omnipotence, and therefore an omnipotent God, cannot exist.
And please understand I am an atheist because I lack belief in Gods. I do not definitively state that God or Gods do not exist, just that they absolutely do not exist according to the most common definition of monotheists.
为什么上帝不能创造另一个上帝？
争论基本上是这样的:“上帝能创造一块太重的石头，让他搬不动吗?”如果他能，那么他就不是万能的，因为他不能举起那块石头。如果他做不到，他就不是万能的，因为他不能创造出这样的石头。辩护者已经通过改变全能的定义解决了这个问题。令人震惊，对吧?
我并不是在说上帝或众神不存在。但可以明确证明，全能性，因此全能的上帝，在逻辑上不能存在。
请理解我是一个无神论者，因为我不相信上帝。我并不是明确地说上帝或众神不存在，只是说根据一神论者最常见的定义，他们绝对不存在。
Why can't God create another God ?
The argument is basically this "Can God create a stone that is too heavy for God to lift?". If he can then he isn't omnipotent because he cannot lift the stone. If he can't he isn't omnipotent because he can't create such a stone. Apologists have already addressed this problem by changing the definition of omnipotence. Shocking, am I right?
I am not arguing that God or Gods cannot exist. But it is definitively provable that omnipotence, and therefore an omnipotent God, cannot exist.
And please understand I am an atheist because I lack belief in Gods. I do not definitively state that God or Gods do not exist, just that they absolutely do not exist according to the most common definition of monotheists.
为什么上帝不能创造另一个上帝？
争论基本上是这样的:“上帝能创造一块太重的石头，让他搬不动吗?”如果他能，那么他就不是万能的，因为他不能举起那块石头。如果他做不到，他就不是万能的，因为他不能创造出这样的石头。辩护者已经通过改变全能的定义解决了这个问题。令人震惊，对吧?
我并不是在说上帝或众神不存在。但可以明确证明，全能性，因此全能的上帝，在逻辑上不能存在。
请理解我是一个无神论者，因为我不相信上帝。我并不是明确地说上帝或众神不存在，只是说根据一神论者最常见的定义，他们绝对不存在。
Julius Sky
If God created us, who created God?
Science doesn’t say that something came from nothing, particles pop in and out of existence in the quantum field all the time. The universe always existed in this state for eternity, and symmetry breaking caused forces to coalesce particles into complex matter, gravitating into each other to become so dense as to eventually cause the big bang explosion.
That is the most logical answer, the universe existed forever, just in relatively different densities. It’s just with our tools, we can only see back to a certain time, not even back to the big bang, so we will never know for sure scientifically.
But it is still a more rational answer, unless of course you call God the universe ala Einstein.
But don't just take my word for it, Carl Sagan said the same thing:
"In many cultures, the customary answer is that a God or Gods created the Universe out of nothing. But if we wish to pursue this question courageously, we must of course ask the next question: where did God come from? If we decide that this is an unanswerable question, why not save a step and conclude that the origin of the Universe is an unanswerable question? Or, if we say that God always existed, why not save a step, and conclude that the Universe always existed?"
如果上帝创造了我们，那么谁创造了上帝？
科学并没有说有什么东西是无中生有的，粒子一直在量子场中出现和消失。宇宙永远存在于这种状态中，对称性破缺导致力量将粒子凝聚成复杂的物质，相互吸引变得如此密集，最终导致大爆炸。
这是最合乎逻辑的答案，宇宙永远存在，只是密度相对不同而已。只是用我们的工具，我们只能看到一定的时间，甚至不能看到大爆炸，所以我们永远无法从科学上确定
但这仍然是一个更合理的答案，当然，除非你像爱因斯坦一样把上帝称为宇宙。
但不要只相信我的话，卡尔·萨根（ Carl Sagan）也说过同样的话:
在许多文化中，通常的答案是上帝或众神从无到有创造了宇宙。但是，如果我们想勇敢地追问这个问题，我们当然必须问下一个问题:上帝从哪里来?如果我们认定这是一个无法回答的问题，为什么不省事一步，断定宇宙的起源是一个无法回答的问题呢?或者，如果我们说上帝一直存在，为什么不省事一步，得出宇宙一直存在的结论呢?”
If God created us, who created God?
Science doesn’t say that something came from nothing, particles pop in and out of existence in the quantum field all the time. The universe always existed in this state for eternity, and symmetry breaking caused forces to coalesce particles into complex matter, gravitating into each other to become so dense as to eventually cause the big bang explosion.
That is the most logical answer, the universe existed forever, just in relatively different densities. It’s just with our tools, we can only see back to a certain time, not even back to the big bang, so we will never know for sure scientifically.
But it is still a more rational answer, unless of course you call God the universe ala Einstein.
But don't just take my word for it, Carl Sagan said the same thing:
"In many cultures, the customary answer is that a God or Gods created the Universe out of nothing. But if we wish to pursue this question courageously, we must of course ask the next question: where did God come from? If we decide that this is an unanswerable question, why not save a step and conclude that the origin of the Universe is an unanswerable question? Or, if we say that God always existed, why not save a step, and conclude that the Universe always existed?"
如果上帝创造了我们，那么谁创造了上帝？
科学并没有说有什么东西是无中生有的，粒子一直在量子场中出现和消失。宇宙永远存在于这种状态中，对称性破缺导致力量将粒子凝聚成复杂的物质，相互吸引变得如此密集，最终导致大爆炸。
这是最合乎逻辑的答案，宇宙永远存在，只是密度相对不同而已。只是用我们的工具，我们只能看到一定的时间，甚至不能看到大爆炸，所以我们永远无法从科学上确定
但这仍然是一个更合理的答案，当然，除非你像爱因斯坦一样把上帝称为宇宙。
但不要只相信我的话，卡尔·萨根（ Carl Sagan）也说过同样的话:
在许多文化中，通常的答案是上帝或众神从无到有创造了宇宙。但是，如果我们想勇敢地追问这个问题，我们当然必须问下一个问题:上帝从哪里来?如果我们认定这是一个无法回答的问题，为什么不省事一步，断定宇宙的起源是一个无法回答的问题呢?或者，如果我们说上帝一直存在，为什么不省事一步，得出宇宙一直存在的结论呢?”
Daniel Metivier
Did God create men or did men create God?
Answer: All current evidence points to the conclusion that Man created gods, all gods not just “your” god (your god meaning whoever is reading this who might be a theist of some sort).
As an Agnostic Atheist I do not claim to KNOW that there are no gods floating around in this Universe or on some other plane of existence/dimension. It is possible that they exist and just do not interact with humanity. It is possible that there are lifeforms that were more advanced than the Bronze Age civilizations and that visited this planet and thus were seen as gods (to an ant we might be seen as gods).
However, the majority of the gods that have been worshipped by humans down through the ages are no longer believed in. They have been relegated to the realm of Myths and Folklore. All the pantheons of the Greeks tribes, Romans tribes , Germanic tribes, Egyptian tribes, Celtic Tribes, Mesoamerican tribes, African Tribes, etc. have disappeared into the mists of history (or gone on extended vacations).
Each time a god stops being worshiped another god is created to take its place. As civilizations gained in knowledge and understanding, the need for many gods to fill various roles diminished and Monotheism was born.
YHWH derives from the Canaanite god EL. EL was the god of war and the head of the Canaanite pantheon. As tribes were fighting each other over land and resources needed for survival, a war god was needed and had to be more powerful than the opposing war god. EL was just this god. When the Israelite broke away from the Canaanites they took EL with them. YHWH is referred to as EL throughout the Torah and is seen in many Hebrew words (IsraEL, SamuEL, DaniEL), It is only when asked what his true name was that the YHWH tetragrammaton get expressed. I use YHWH only as an example not to pick on the Abrahamic god.
Over 4000 named gods and countless unnamed or prehistorically worshipped gods, and not one shred of real evidence to support any of them. Plenty of faith, and an extreme amount of confusing faith with facts, for each and everyone of them. Some have looked like animals, some like humans, some like a cross between animals and humans, but the majority have disappeared.
So again, at this point, all current evidence points to one conclusion: Men create gods.
是上帝创造了人，还是人类创造了上帝？
回答：目前所有的证据都指向这样的结论:人类创造了神，所有的神，而不仅仅是“你的”神(你的神指的是任何正在阅读这篇文章的人，他可能是某种有神论者)。
作为一个不可知论的无神论者，我不声称知道在这个宇宙或其他存在/维度的某个平面上没有神灵漂浮。它们可能存在，只是不与人类互动。有可能存在比青铜时代文明更先进的生命形式，他们访问了这个星球，因此被视为神(对蚂蚁来说，我们可能被视为神)。
然而，自古以来大多数被人类崇拜的神都不再被相信了，它们已被归入神话和民间传说的范畴。所有希腊部落、罗马部落、日耳曼部落、埃及部落、凯尔特部落、中美洲部落、非洲部落等的万神殿都消失在历史的迷雾中（或去度假）。
每当一个神不再被崇拜，另一个神就会被创造出来取代它的位置。随着文明在知识和理解上的发展，对许多神来扮演各种角色的需求减少了，一神论诞生了。
耶和华源自迦南神伊勒（El）。伊勒（El）是迦南万神殿的战神和首领。当部落为了生存所需的土地和资源而相互争斗时，需要一位战神，而且必须比对方战神更强大，伊勒（El）就是这个神。以色列人脱离迦南人的时候，他们就把伊勒（El）带到了那里。耶和华在整个《托拉》中被称为伊勒（El），在许多希伯来语单词（IsraEL、SamuEL、DaniEL）中都可以看到，只有当被问及他的真实姓名时，耶和华是四字神名（YHWH）才会被表达出来。我只是用耶和华作为一个例子，而不找亚伯拉罕神的茬。
超过4000个命名的神和无数未命名的或史前崇拜的神，没有一丝真实的证据来支持他们。对他们每一个人来说，都有大量的信仰，信仰和事实都极度混淆。有些看起来像动物，有些像人类，有些像动物和人类的混血，但大多数已经消失了。
所以，在这一点上，所有现有的证据都指向一个结论:人类创造了神。
Did God create men or did men create God?
Answer: All current evidence points to the conclusion that Man created gods, all gods not just “your” god (your god meaning whoever is reading this who might be a theist of some sort).
As an Agnostic Atheist I do not claim to KNOW that there are no gods floating around in this Universe or on some other plane of existence/dimension. It is possible that they exist and just do not interact with humanity. It is possible that there are lifeforms that were more advanced than the Bronze Age civilizations and that visited this planet and thus were seen as gods (to an ant we might be seen as gods).
However, the majority of the gods that have been worshipped by humans down through the ages are no longer believed in. They have been relegated to the realm of Myths and Folklore. All the pantheons of the Greeks tribes, Romans tribes , Germanic tribes, Egyptian tribes, Celtic Tribes, Mesoamerican tribes, African Tribes, etc. have disappeared into the mists of history (or gone on extended vacations).
Each time a god stops being worshiped another god is created to take its place. As civilizations gained in knowledge and understanding, the need for many gods to fill various roles diminished and Monotheism was born.
YHWH derives from the Canaanite god EL. EL was the god of war and the head of the Canaanite pantheon. As tribes were fighting each other over land and resources needed for survival, a war god was needed and had to be more powerful than the opposing war god. EL was just this god. When the Israelite broke away from the Canaanites they took EL with them. YHWH is referred to as EL throughout the Torah and is seen in many Hebrew words (IsraEL, SamuEL, DaniEL), It is only when asked what his true name was that the YHWH tetragrammaton get expressed. I use YHWH only as an example not to pick on the Abrahamic god.
Over 4000 named gods and countless unnamed or prehistorically worshipped gods, and not one shred of real evidence to support any of them. Plenty of faith, and an extreme amount of confusing faith with facts, for each and everyone of them. Some have looked like animals, some like humans, some like a cross between animals and humans, but the majority have disappeared.
So again, at this point, all current evidence points to one conclusion: Men create gods.
是上帝创造了人，还是人类创造了上帝？
回答：目前所有的证据都指向这样的结论:人类创造了神，所有的神，而不仅仅是“你的”神(你的神指的是任何正在阅读这篇文章的人，他可能是某种有神论者)。
作为一个不可知论的无神论者，我不声称知道在这个宇宙或其他存在/维度的某个平面上没有神灵漂浮。它们可能存在，只是不与人类互动。有可能存在比青铜时代文明更先进的生命形式，他们访问了这个星球，因此被视为神(对蚂蚁来说，我们可能被视为神)。
然而，自古以来大多数被人类崇拜的神都不再被相信了，它们已被归入神话和民间传说的范畴。所有希腊部落、罗马部落、日耳曼部落、埃及部落、凯尔特部落、中美洲部落、非洲部落等的万神殿都消失在历史的迷雾中（或去度假）。
每当一个神不再被崇拜，另一个神就会被创造出来取代它的位置。随着文明在知识和理解上的发展，对许多神来扮演各种角色的需求减少了，一神论诞生了。
耶和华源自迦南神伊勒（El）。伊勒（El）是迦南万神殿的战神和首领。当部落为了生存所需的土地和资源而相互争斗时，需要一位战神，而且必须比对方战神更强大，伊勒（El）就是这个神。以色列人脱离迦南人的时候，他们就把伊勒（El）带到了那里。耶和华在整个《托拉》中被称为伊勒（El），在许多希伯来语单词（IsraEL、SamuEL、DaniEL）中都可以看到，只有当被问及他的真实姓名时，耶和华是四字神名（YHWH）才会被表达出来。我只是用耶和华作为一个例子，而不找亚伯拉罕神的茬。
超过4000个命名的神和无数未命名的或史前崇拜的神，没有一丝真实的证据来支持他们。对他们每一个人来说，都有大量的信仰，信仰和事实都极度混淆。有些看起来像动物，有些像人类，有些像动物和人类的混血，但大多数已经消失了。
所以，在这一点上，所有现有的证据都指向一个结论:人类创造了神。
Sapan Saxena
In Hinduism, there is not just one purpose of human life, but four: Dharma - fulfilling one's purpose. Artha - prosperity. Kama - desire, sexuality, enjoyment.
And to those who ask to believe in science "only", ask them to create all elements necessary for life together and try if it comes to life. or, why there are lenses in eyes, how can we hear when sound waves fall on ear drum, how exactly each and every organ was put the right way into human body, like a skilled engineer
在印度教中，人生的目的不止一个，而是四个:达摩——实现自己的目的、经济-繁荣、爱神——欲望、性；享受。
对于那些要求“只”相信科学的人，请他们一起创造生命所必需的所有元素，并尝试它是否会成为生命。或者，为什么眼睛里有晶状体，当声波落在鼓膜上时，我们是如何听到的，每个器官是如何像一个熟练的工程师一样被正确地放入人体的
In Hinduism, there is not just one purpose of human life, but four: Dharma - fulfilling one's purpose. Artha - prosperity. Kama - desire, sexuality, enjoyment.
And to those who ask to believe in science "only", ask them to create all elements necessary for life together and try if it comes to life. or, why there are lenses in eyes, how can we hear when sound waves fall on ear drum, how exactly each and every organ was put the right way into human body, like a skilled engineer
在印度教中，人生的目的不止一个，而是四个:达摩——实现自己的目的、经济-繁荣、爱神——欲望、性；享受。
对于那些要求“只”相信科学的人，请他们一起创造生命所必需的所有元素，并尝试它是否会成为生命。或者，为什么眼睛里有晶状体，当声波落在鼓膜上时，我们是如何听到的，每个器官是如何像一个熟练的工程师一样被正确地放入人体的
Murari Das
Does god create us or do we people create the god? Don't you think the latter one is correct?
No, I don’t think the latter is correct.
Neither do I think that God created us, but I understand what you mean.
According to Krishna, who claims to be God (and gives good enough reasons for me to believe Him), we are eternal.
Eternal means not created and never destroyed.
Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.
For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and prim. He is not slain when the body is slain.
是上帝创造了我们，还是我们创造了上帝?你不认为后者是正确的吗?
不，我认为后者是不对的。
我也不认为是上帝创造了我们，但我明白你的意思。
克利须那神自称是上帝（并给出了足够好的理由让我相信他），根据他的说法，我们是永恒的。
永恒意味着不被创造，也不被毁灭。
从来没有一个时候我不存在，你也不存在，所有这些国王也不存在;在未来，我们中的任何一个都不会消失。
对于灵魂来说，在任何时候都没有生与死。他还没有形成，也不会形成。他是未出生的，永恒的，永远存在的和原始的。身体被杀的时候，他并没有被杀。
Does god create us or do we people create the god? Don't you think the latter one is correct?
No, I don’t think the latter is correct.
Neither do I think that God created us, but I understand what you mean.
According to Krishna, who claims to be God (and gives good enough reasons for me to believe Him), we are eternal.
Eternal means not created and never destroyed.
Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.
For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and prim. He is not slain when the body is slain.
是上帝创造了我们，还是我们创造了上帝?你不认为后者是正确的吗?
不，我认为后者是不对的。
我也不认为是上帝创造了我们，但我明白你的意思。
克利须那神自称是上帝（并给出了足够好的理由让我相信他），根据他的说法，我们是永恒的。
永恒意味着不被创造，也不被毁灭。
从来没有一个时候我不存在，你也不存在，所有这些国王也不存在;在未来，我们中的任何一个都不会消失。
对于灵魂来说，在任何时候都没有生与死。他还没有形成，也不会形成。他是未出生的，永恒的，永远存在的和原始的。身体被杀的时候，他并没有被杀。
The living entities in this conditioned world are My eternal fragmental parts. Due to conditioned life, they are struggling very hard with the six senses, which include the mind.
I choose to believe Krishna, so I accept that we are all eternal, and we are all part and parcel of Krishna. This has brought me much happiness in life, and I anticipate it would for you too.
Everyone has a choice to make. They can believe what is written in scxture; reject what is written in scxture; or sit on the fence. Those that sit on the fence or reject scxture will never know the truth of the matter. But those that accept the scxtures have the chance to know the truth and become Krishna conscious.
在这个受条件限制的世界上的生物是我永恒的碎片部分。由于生活的局限，他们与包括心在内的六种感官进行着非常艰苦的斗争。
我选择相信克利须那神，所以我接受我们都是永恒的，我们都是克利须那神的一部分。这给我的生活带来了很多快乐，我希望你也能如此
每个人都有自己的选择。他们可以相信圣经中所写的；拒绝相信圣经上所写的；或者持观望态度。那些持观望态度或拒绝相信圣经的人永远不会知道事情的真相。但那些相信圣经中所写的人有机会知道真相，成为克利须那神知觉者。
I choose to believe Krishna, so I accept that we are all eternal, and we are all part and parcel of Krishna. This has brought me much happiness in life, and I anticipate it would for you too.
Everyone has a choice to make. They can believe what is written in scxture; reject what is written in scxture; or sit on the fence. Those that sit on the fence or reject scxture will never know the truth of the matter. But those that accept the scxtures have the chance to know the truth and become Krishna conscious.
在这个受条件限制的世界上的生物是我永恒的碎片部分。由于生活的局限，他们与包括心在内的六种感官进行着非常艰苦的斗争。
我选择相信克利须那神，所以我接受我们都是永恒的，我们都是克利须那神的一部分。这给我的生活带来了很多快乐，我希望你也能如此
每个人都有自己的选择。他们可以相信圣经中所写的；拒绝相信圣经上所写的；或者持观望态度。那些持观望态度或拒绝相信圣经的人永远不会知道事情的真相。但那些相信圣经中所写的人有机会知道真相，成为克利须那神知觉者。
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