华为如何利用美国技术实现芯片突破,"美国制裁华为这么久，华为不仅没有倒下，还在1万多个零部件已经实现国产化"
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@amandagrant4331
Thirty years ago, the US advocated "globalization" because US manufacturing was in an advantage.
Thirty years later, the US advocated "de-globalization" because US manufacturing was at a disadvantage.
Such double standards are shameless.
三十年前，美国倡导“全球化”，因为那时美国制造业占据优势地位。 三十年后，美国转而提倡“去全球化”，原因在于美国制造业陷入了劣势。 这种双重标准真是无耻至极。
@amandagrant4331
Thirty years ago, the US advocated "globalization" because US manufacturing was in an advantage.
Thirty years later, the US advocated "de-globalization" because US manufacturing was at a disadvantage.
Such double standards are shameless.
三十年前，美国倡导“全球化”，因为那时美国制造业占据优势地位。 三十年后，美国转而提倡“去全球化”，原因在于美国制造业陷入了劣势。 这种双重标准真是无耻至极。
@geraldkohar
China should just make for any US company to tap on Chinese market must have their product component 100% sourced from Chinese suppliers to be sold in Chinese market. Let's see how they will react to it
中国应该规定所有想进入中国市场运营的美国公司必须确保其产品组件100%由中国供应商提供，才能在中国市场销售。看看他们对此会作何反应.
China should just make for any US company to tap on Chinese market must have their product component 100% sourced from Chinese suppliers to be sold in Chinese market. Let's see how they will react to it
中国应该规定所有想进入中国市场运营的美国公司必须确保其产品组件100%由中国供应商提供，才能在中国市场销售。看看他们对此会作何反应.
@Observer168
Chinese government must force all government officials and employees to buy Chinese cars and phones.
中国政府应当强制要求所有政府官员和雇员购买国产汽车和手机。
Chinese government must force all government officials and employees to buy Chinese cars and phones.
中国政府应当强制要求所有政府官员和雇员购买国产汽车和手机。
@supagirusupagiru9932
What if the Chinese ban US from using Chinese tech? E.g. paper, ink, compass, ceramic
如果中国禁止美国使用中国科技会怎样？比如纸张、墨水、指南针和陶瓷，哈哈哈哈哈。
What if the Chinese ban US from using Chinese tech? E.g. paper, ink, compass, ceramic
如果中国禁止美国使用中国科技会怎样？比如纸张、墨水、指南针和陶瓷，哈哈哈哈哈。
@user-hc5cg3jc3i
Specifically, Needham's 100 inventions in ancient China contributed to the world and had a profound impact on mankind
具体来说，中国古代的100项发明对全世界做出了贡献，并对人类社会产生了深远影响。
Specifically, Needham's 100 inventions in ancient China contributed to the world and had a profound impact on mankind
具体来说，中国古代的100项发明对全世界做出了贡献，并对人类社会产生了深远影响。
@Amidat
currency etc etc - lol
还有货币等等——哈哈
currency etc etc - lol
还有货币等等——哈哈
@basshunterdota625
Its not their fault,US sanctions were not strict enough,it can be easily accessed in black market.
这并不是他们的错，美国的制裁不够严格，很多东西在黑市上很容易就能获取到。
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Its not their fault,US sanctions were not strict enough,it can be easily accessed in black market.
这并不是他们的错，美国的制裁不够严格，很多东西在黑市上很容易就能获取到。
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@windsong3wong828
USA wants to suppress China to stop its rise.
China have to bear the unbearable……and struggle hard.
Buy my monies is on China to eventually succeed.
China have to cut down on its spending and spend the money on r & d for tech.
China have to live bravely.
If they can’t breakthrough, they have only themselves to blame.
美国想通过压制中国来阻止其崛起。
中国不得不承受难以忍受的压力，并且要努力奋斗。
但我相信最终中国会成功。
中国需要减少不必要的开支，并将资金投入到技术研发中。
中国必须勇敢地生存下去。
如果无法突破技术封锁，只能怪自己。
USA wants to suppress China to stop its rise.
China have to bear the unbearable……and struggle hard.
Buy my monies is on China to eventually succeed.
China have to cut down on its spending and spend the money on r & d for tech.
China have to live bravely.
If they can’t breakthrough, they have only themselves to blame.
美国想通过压制中国来阻止其崛起。
中国不得不承受难以忍受的压力，并且要努力奋斗。
但我相信最终中国会成功。
中国需要减少不必要的开支，并将资金投入到技术研发中。
中国必须勇敢地生存下去。
如果无法突破技术封锁，只能怪自己。
@Amidat
Then when local companies replace Lam and Applied M - what will anyone have to say ???
那么，当本土企业取代了Lam和Applied Materials等公司时，大家又会说些什么呢？
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Then when local companies replace Lam and Applied M - what will anyone have to say ???
那么，当本土企业取代了Lam和Applied Materials等公司时，大家又会说些什么呢？
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@dieppeboon9627
CPC must forbid the Chinese Civil servant to stop using the iPhones which is An American spying agent
中国必须禁止中国公务员使用iPhone，因为它是美国的间谍工具
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CPC must forbid the Chinese Civil servant to stop using the iPhones which is An American spying agent
中国必须禁止中国公务员使用iPhone，因为它是美国的间谍工具
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@Nabrolo
They already did that.
他们已经这么做了。
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They already did that.
他们已经这么做了。
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@shuli6021
who tell you that? your fake news?
谁告诉你的？假新闻吧？
who tell you that? your fake news?
谁告诉你的？假新闻吧？
@kenyup7936
no way, if our country did that, ppl will likely buy iPhone from oversea, tbh they cant leaving iPhone
不可能的，如果中国这样做的话，人们很可能会从海外购买iPhone。说实话，很多人离不开iPhone。
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no way, if our country did that, ppl will likely buy iPhone from oversea, tbh they cant leaving iPhone
不可能的，如果中国这样做的话，人们很可能会从海外购买iPhone。说实话，很多人离不开iPhone。
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@thomasrogers9146
the Chinese have said over and over again, they do not care about the stock market. they are focused on common prosperity and an economy that is based on improving the standard of living of the Chinese, not a casino for western speculation and gambling.
中国人一再强调，他们并不在乎股市。他们关注的是共同富裕和一个旨在提高中国人民生活水平的经济体系，而不是西方投机赌博的赌场。
the Chinese have said over and over again, they do not care about the stock market. they are focused on common prosperity and an economy that is based on improving the standard of living of the Chinese, not a casino for western speculation and gambling.
中国人一再强调，他们并不在乎股市。他们关注的是共同富裕和一个旨在提高中国人民生活水平的经济体系，而不是西方投机赌博的赌场。
@ralphmogridge8364
Used US tech ，of course..... and made it better than any US tech!!!
当然使用了美国技术，并且将其做得比任何美国技术都要出色！
Used US tech ，of course..... and made it better than any US tech!!!
当然使用了美国技术，并且将其做得比任何美国技术都要出色！
@whatwhy106
Lololol y’all worried about 7nm chips, we are producing 3nm chips, China can have old tech
哈哈，你们还在担心7纳米芯片，我们已经开始生产3纳米芯片了，让中国保留那些旧技术好了。
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Lololol y’all worried about 7nm chips, we are producing 3nm chips, China can have old tech
哈哈，你们还在担心7纳米芯片，我们已经开始生产3纳米芯片了，让中国保留那些旧技术好了。
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@rabbitazteca23
*Taiwan is producing them. Not the US
是台湾在生产这些芯片，不是美国。
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*Taiwan is producing them. Not the US
是台湾在生产这些芯片，不是美国。
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@whatwhy106 but
what will usa do with those 3 nm chips produced.i mean in which product produced in usa and in how much quantity usa will use those chips
但是，美国会如何使用这些3纳米芯片呢？我的意思是，在哪些美国生产的产品中以及以何种数量来使用这些芯片？
what will usa do with those 3 nm chips produced.i mean in which product produced in usa and in how much quantity usa will use those chips
但是，美国会如何使用这些3纳米芯片呢？我的意思是，在哪些美国生产的产品中以及以何种数量来使用这些芯片？
@rabbitazteca23 Taiwan is producing for the West, not for China.
台湾是在为西方国家生产这些芯片，而不是为中国。
台湾是在为西方国家生产这些芯片，而不是为中国。
@rabbitazteca23
America is. Coping soooo badly. How pathetic
美国现在的应对真是糟糕透顶，太可悲了
America is. Coping soooo badly. How pathetic
美国现在的应对真是糟糕透顶，太可悲了
@Amidat
yeah it is sad and pathetic
的确很可悲和可怜
yeah it is sad and pathetic
的确很可悲和可怜
@lastChang
Samsung AI-powered phone technologies make the Huawei Mate 60 look like a museum version. LoL
- They are at least 8 years apart.
三星的人工智能驱动手机技术让华为Mate 60看起来就像博物馆里的老古董一样。哈哈
它们在技术水平上至少相差8年左右。
Samsung AI-powered phone technologies make the Huawei Mate 60 look like a museum version. LoL
- They are at least 8 years apart.
三星的人工智能驱动手机技术让华为Mate 60看起来就像博物馆里的老古董一样。哈哈
它们在技术水平上至少相差8年左右。
@kenyup7936
its the gap between Google and huawei not samsung and Huawei, but honestly nobody needs a phone doesn't have google apps.
目前的主要差距在于谷歌与华为，但说实话，现在没有多少人会需要一台不支持谷歌应用的手机。
its the gap between Google and huawei not samsung and Huawei, but honestly nobody needs a phone doesn't have google apps.
目前的主要差距在于谷歌与华为，但说实话，现在没有多少人会需要一台不支持谷歌应用的手机。
@shuli6021
samsung will be wiped out soon by huawei. just watch it
三星很快会被华为淘汰，走着瞧吧！
samsung will be wiped out soon by huawei. just watch it
三星很快会被华为淘汰，走着瞧吧！
@shuli6021
no way, the chance is like moon land on the earth lol, or samsung will wipe out only in China but not anywhere else lol, no way
不可能的，这种可能性就像月亮掉到地球上一样渺茫，或者三星只会在中国被淘汰，但在其他任何地方都不可能。根本没戏！
no way, the chance is like moon land on the earth lol, or samsung will wipe out only in China but not anywhere else lol, no way
不可能的，这种可能性就像月亮掉到地球上一样渺茫，或者三星只会在中国被淘汰，但在其他任何地方都不可能。根本没戏！
@kenyup7936
I still have PTSD from Samsung's exploding phones and washing machines. Welp!
我至今仍对三星爆炸手机和洗衣机事件心有余悸，唉！
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I still have PTSD from Samsung's exploding phones and washing machines. Welp!
我至今仍对三星爆炸手机和洗衣机事件心有余悸，唉！
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@seafood_hater
if I was rich I definitely bought Samsung S24 for AI experience
如果我很有钱的话，我肯定会为了体验AI而购买三星S24。
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if I was rich I definitely bought Samsung S24 for AI experience
如果我很有钱的话，我肯定会为了体验AI而购买三星S24。
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@kenyup7936
Aren't you afraid of the S24 going rogue, flirt text your ex-girl friend and send a message to your wife? Just to get back at you for keep butt-dailing random people.. I won't be buying Samsung AI phone anytime soon.
我担心S24手机的人工智能功能可能会出现问题，比如擅自给我的前女友发暧昧信息，或者向我妻子发送错误消息来报复我总是不小心拨错电话。所以短期内我不打算购买三星的AI手机。
Aren't you afraid of the S24 going rogue, flirt text your ex-girl friend and send a message to your wife? Just to get back at you for keep butt-dailing random people.. I won't be buying Samsung AI phone anytime soon.
我担心S24手机的人工智能功能可能会出现问题，比如擅自给我的前女友发暧昧信息，或者向我妻子发送错误消息来报复我总是不小心拨错电话。所以短期内我不打算购买三星的AI手机。
@lktruong
I think that live translate functionality in S24 is super cool, i was amazed by its incredibility.
我觉得S24中的实时翻译功能超级酷，其惊人准确性让我感到惊讶。
I think that live translate functionality in S24 is super cool, i was amazed by its incredibility.
我觉得S24中的实时翻译功能超级酷，其惊人准确性让我感到惊讶。
@ArabicReja973
(Long) This is how Huawei produced its 7nm Kirin 9000 chips via SMIC for its Mate 60 Pro:
- SMIC managed to tweak the DUV chipmaking machines that were designed to produce more mature nodes,14nm and up, to produce a chip that has a similar performance of 7nm chips.Therefore, Kirin 9000S is not a true 7nm but a 14nm one.
- China is free to buy the simpler DUV machines from the Dutch company ASML but curbed from buying more advanced EUV lithography machines.
- The tweak of the DUV machines causes it to be inefficient, giving a low yield rate at 20% to 50% per waffer, compared to 90% of the EUV.
- The process only produces 50% or less the number of useable chips per waffer. The rest is thown away. As a result, it costs a lot more on a per chip basis, in addition to higher battery consumption.
- Huawei is currently selling its phone at a loss because of expensive chips inside.
- With this, China has made limited progress, but far from a breakthrough in the chip-making industry.
- SK Hynix, a Korean firm, said the Mate 60 contains 2 of its prohibited memory chips.
- How long Huawei or SMIC can absorb the loss is still a question provided they are unfairly heavily subsidized by the Chinese government.
- One thing for certain: the US will broaden hasher tech restrictions and plug any loopholes that Chinese firms are exploring.
Netherlands has said it will impose export control to limit SMIC's access to more DUV machines.
SK Hynix would never sell its memory chips to Huawei, which is in the US blacklist.
华为如何通过中芯国际为Mate 60 Pro生产7纳米麒麟9000芯片：
- 中芯国际成功调整了原本设计用于生产14纳米及以上成熟节点芯片的深紫外（DUV）光刻机，使其能够制造出性能接近7纳米芯片的产品。因此，麒麟9000S并非真正的7纳米芯片，而是基于14纳米技术的。
- 中国可以自由购买荷兰ASML公司的较简单DUV机器，但被限制购买更先进的极紫外光刻（EUV）设备。
- 调整后的DUV机器效率低下，每片晶圆的良品率仅为20%至50%，而EUV工艺能达到约90%。
- 这个过程导致每片晶圆上可用的芯片数量减半或更低，其余部分报废。因此，在单个芯片的基础上成本大幅增加，并且电池消耗也更高。
- 华为目前因内部昂贵芯片的原因，正在以亏损状态销售手机。
- 尽管如此，中国在芯片制造行业取得了一定进展，但仍远未达到突破性成果。
- 韩国SK海力士公司表示，Mate 60搭载了其被禁售的两款内存芯片。
- 在中国政府不公平的高额补贴下，华为或中芯国际能承受多久这样的亏损仍然是个问题。
- 可以肯定的是，美国将进一步强化科技限制措施，堵住中国公司在探索利用的所有漏洞。
- 荷兰已宣布将实施出口管制，限制中芯国际获得更多DUV机器。
- SK海力士由于华为被列入美国黑名单，理论上不会向华为出售其内存芯片。
(Long) This is how Huawei produced its 7nm Kirin 9000 chips via SMIC for its Mate 60 Pro:
- SMIC managed to tweak the DUV chipmaking machines that were designed to produce more mature nodes,14nm and up, to produce a chip that has a similar performance of 7nm chips.Therefore, Kirin 9000S is not a true 7nm but a 14nm one.
- China is free to buy the simpler DUV machines from the Dutch company ASML but curbed from buying more advanced EUV lithography machines.
- The tweak of the DUV machines causes it to be inefficient, giving a low yield rate at 20% to 50% per waffer, compared to 90% of the EUV.
- The process only produces 50% or less the number of useable chips per waffer. The rest is thown away. As a result, it costs a lot more on a per chip basis, in addition to higher battery consumption.
- Huawei is currently selling its phone at a loss because of expensive chips inside.
- With this, China has made limited progress, but far from a breakthrough in the chip-making industry.
- SK Hynix, a Korean firm, said the Mate 60 contains 2 of its prohibited memory chips.
- How long Huawei or SMIC can absorb the loss is still a question provided they are unfairly heavily subsidized by the Chinese government.
- One thing for certain: the US will broaden hasher tech restrictions and plug any loopholes that Chinese firms are exploring.
Netherlands has said it will impose export control to limit SMIC's access to more DUV machines.
SK Hynix would never sell its memory chips to Huawei, which is in the US blacklist.
华为如何通过中芯国际为Mate 60 Pro生产7纳米麒麟9000芯片：
- 中芯国际成功调整了原本设计用于生产14纳米及以上成熟节点芯片的深紫外（DUV）光刻机，使其能够制造出性能接近7纳米芯片的产品。因此，麒麟9000S并非真正的7纳米芯片，而是基于14纳米技术的。
- 中国可以自由购买荷兰ASML公司的较简单DUV机器，但被限制购买更先进的极紫外光刻（EUV）设备。
- 调整后的DUV机器效率低下，每片晶圆的良品率仅为20%至50%，而EUV工艺能达到约90%。
- 这个过程导致每片晶圆上可用的芯片数量减半或更低，其余部分报废。因此，在单个芯片的基础上成本大幅增加，并且电池消耗也更高。
- 华为目前因内部昂贵芯片的原因，正在以亏损状态销售手机。
- 尽管如此，中国在芯片制造行业取得了一定进展，但仍远未达到突破性成果。
- 韩国SK海力士公司表示，Mate 60搭载了其被禁售的两款内存芯片。
- 在中国政府不公平的高额补贴下，华为或中芯国际能承受多久这样的亏损仍然是个问题。
- 可以肯定的是，美国将进一步强化科技限制措施，堵住中国公司在探索利用的所有漏洞。
- 荷兰已宣布将实施出口管制，限制中芯国际获得更多DUV机器。
- SK海力士由于华为被列入美国黑名单，理论上不会向华为出售其内存芯片。
@skydragon23101979
Great Huawei selling at a loss they sold 30 million smartphones last year with another targeting 70 million this year. China must be damm rich to be able to subsidise so many phones at a loss.
华为以亏损状态销售手机还能卖出那么多，去年卖出了3000万部智能手机，今年更是瞄准了7000万的销量。中国一定非常富有，才能承受补贴这么多亏本出售的手机。
Great Huawei selling at a loss they sold 30 million smartphones last year with another targeting 70 million this year. China must be damm rich to be able to subsidise so many phones at a loss.
华为以亏损状态销售手机还能卖出那么多，去年卖出了3000万部智能手机，今年更是瞄准了7000万的销量。中国一定非常富有，才能承受补贴这么多亏本出售的手机。
@skydragon23101979
You are making the Indian want to be an Arab jealous.
你这么说让印度人想要成为阿拉伯人都嫉妒不已。
You are making the Indian want to be an Arab jealous.
你这么说让印度人想要成为阿拉伯人都嫉妒不已。
@skydragon23101979
Poor China is really using the taxpayers' money including the 2 trillion yuan it uses to prop up the stock market.
可怜的中国真的在用纳税人的钱，包括用来支撑股市的那2万亿元人民币。
原创翻译：龙腾网 https://www.ltaaa.cn 转载请注明出处
Poor China is really using the taxpayers' money including the 2 trillion yuan it uses to prop up the stock market.
可怜的中国真的在用纳税人的钱，包括用来支撑股市的那2万亿元人民币。
原创翻译：龙腾网 https://www.ltaaa.cn 转载请注明出处
@TH-dr1kg
China is investing for the future. Only shortsighted people think that China is proving up the stock market.
中国是在为未来投资。只有目光短浅的人才会认为中国只是在救市。
China is investing for the future. Only shortsighted people think that China is proving up the stock market.
中国是在为未来投资。只有目光短浅的人才会认为中国只是在救市。
@skydragon23101979
Lol, did you not know government buying the stocks is just a short-term fix?
哈哈，你不知道政府购买股票只是短期应急措施吗？
Lol, did you not know government buying the stocks is just a short-term fix?
哈哈，你不知道政府购买股票只是短期应急措施吗？
@TH-dr1kg
Like I said only short sighted people like you see it as saving the stock market. This is an investment ever heard of company stock buyback similar reason. It’s an investment.
就像我说的，只有像你这样目光短浅的人会将其视为单纯救市。这是一项投资，听说过公司回购自家股票吗？背后的逻辑是相似的，这是一种投资行为。
Like I said only short sighted people like you see it as saving the stock market. This is an investment ever heard of company stock buyback similar reason. It’s an investment.
就像我说的，只有像你这样目光短浅的人会将其视为单纯救市。这是一项投资，听说过公司回购自家股票吗？背后的逻辑是相似的，这是一种投资行为。
@davidwong325
听起来很懂，其实一点都不懂中国和华为的运作方式
听起来很懂，其实一点都不懂中国和华为的运作方式
@Amidat
the entire US system is built for propping up the US stock market
整个美国体系都是为了支撑美国股市而建立的。
the entire US system is built for propping up the US stock market
整个美国体系都是为了支撑美国股市而建立的。
@Amidat
so basically conjecture because you don't really know... typical
所以基本上这是推测，因为你并不真正了解……典型的主观臆断。
so basically conjecture because you don't really know... typical
所以基本上这是推测，因为你并不真正了解……典型的主观臆断。
@TH-dr1kg
Don't be silly. You can only prop up the stock market for a short time.
别傻了。股市只能短期支撑，长期是不行的。
Don't be silly. You can only prop up the stock market for a short time.
别傻了。股市只能短期支撑，长期是不行的。
@douyalee2993
Are you sure that Huawei can break through the advanced semiconductor process restrictions and mass production? Without products, it seems that everything is a dream, and the dream is not a reality.
你确定华为能够突破先进半导体工艺限制并实现量产吗？没有实际产品的话，一切就像是个梦想，而梦想终究不是现实。
Are you sure that Huawei can break through the advanced semiconductor process restrictions and mass production? Without products, it seems that everything is a dream, and the dream is not a reality.
你确定华为能够突破先进半导体工艺限制并实现量产吗？没有实际产品的话，一切就像是个梦想，而梦想终究不是现实。
@jeffreywilliams6784
The United States sanctioned Huawei for so long, Huawei not only did not fall, but also in more than 10,000 parts have been localized.
美国制裁华为这么久，华为不仅没有倒下，还在1万多个零部件已经实现国产化。
The United States sanctioned Huawei for so long, Huawei not only did not fall, but also in more than 10,000 parts have been localized.
美国制裁华为这么久，华为不仅没有倒下，还在1万多个零部件已经实现国产化。
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