印度历史有多扭曲?
正文翻译
How distorted is Indian history?
印度历史有多扭曲?
How distorted is Indian history?
印度历史有多扭曲?
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Rahul Chauhan
Take an example
Jalauddin Muhammed Moghal was a secular ruler
This is Prayagraj, holy city from time immemorial for all the vedic people and shramic traditions as well, the place where three great rivers meet, a cradle of ancient Bharat and the site of Mahakumbh
Muhammed Jalaluddin changed the name of the city to Allaha-Bad, which has been reverted originally.
What other than a bigot can do this? How can such a person be called secular in any of the wild dreams that a lot if fundamentalists have when they give this theory?
If the other deeds of Jalaluddin are written then this space will be less.
以一个例子来说，
贾拉乌丁·穆罕默德·莫卧儿是一个世俗统治者。
这里是普拉亚格拉杰，自古以来对于所有吠陀人和伊斯兰传统来说都是一个神圣的城市，三条伟大的河流在此交汇，是古印度文明的摇篮，也是印度教大壶节的举办地。
穆罕默德·贾拉尔丁将这座城市的名字改为阿拉哈巴德，现在又恢复了原来的名字。
除了偏执者，还有谁能做出这样的事？如果原教旨主义者在提出这一理论时有很多疯狂的梦想，那么这样的人怎么能被称为世俗的呢？
如果贾拉尔丁的其他事迹被写下，那么这个空间将会显得不够。
Take an example
Jalauddin Muhammed Moghal was a secular ruler
This is Prayagraj, holy city from time immemorial for all the vedic people and shramic traditions as well, the place where three great rivers meet, a cradle of ancient Bharat and the site of Mahakumbh
Muhammed Jalaluddin changed the name of the city to Allaha-Bad, which has been reverted originally.
What other than a bigot can do this? How can such a person be called secular in any of the wild dreams that a lot if fundamentalists have when they give this theory?
If the other deeds of Jalaluddin are written then this space will be less.
以一个例子来说，
贾拉乌丁·穆罕默德·莫卧儿是一个世俗统治者。
这里是普拉亚格拉杰，自古以来对于所有吠陀人和伊斯兰传统来说都是一个神圣的城市，三条伟大的河流在此交汇，是古印度文明的摇篮，也是印度教大壶节的举办地。
穆罕默德·贾拉尔丁将这座城市的名字改为阿拉哈巴德，现在又恢复了原来的名字。
除了偏执者，还有谁能做出这样的事？如果原教旨主义者在提出这一理论时有很多疯狂的梦想，那么这样的人怎么能被称为世俗的呢？
如果贾拉尔丁的其他事迹被写下，那么这个空间将会显得不够。
Sb
Akbar founded his own faith Din-i-illahi. Which secular ruler wants to be the religious head? The only thing why people call him secular is coz he was wise enough to understand not to oppress Hindus to an extent that they start revolting.
阿克巴创立了他自己的信仰——丁-伊拉希（Din-i Ilāhī），又称“神圣信仰”（Divine Faith）。哪个世俗统治者想要成为宗教领袖呢？人们之所以称他为世俗的唯一原因，是因为他足够明智，理解到不应该压迫印度教徒到他们开始反抗的程度。
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Akbar founded his own faith Din-i-illahi. Which secular ruler wants to be the religious head? The only thing why people call him secular is coz he was wise enough to understand not to oppress Hindus to an extent that they start revolting.
阿克巴创立了他自己的信仰——丁-伊拉希（Din-i Ilāhī），又称“神圣信仰”（Divine Faith）。哪个世俗统治者想要成为宗教领袖呢？人们之所以称他为世俗的唯一原因，是因为他足够明智，理解到不应该压迫印度教徒到他们开始反抗的程度。
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Varun Diwan
Akber was not at all secular, he only promote Islam with the use of few Hindu slave Kings and change our history and write wrong things in it.
He was very bad ruler and person.
阿克巴并不是一个世俗统治者，他只是利用了一些印度教的奴隶国王来推广伊斯兰教，并改变了我们的历史，在其中写下了错误的内容。他是一个非常糟糕的统治者和个人。
Akber was not at all secular, he only promote Islam with the use of few Hindu slave Kings and change our history and write wrong things in it.
He was very bad ruler and person.
阿克巴并不是一个世俗统治者，他只是利用了一些印度教的奴隶国王来推广伊斯兰教，并改变了我们的历史，在其中写下了错误的内容。他是一个非常糟糕的统治者和个人。
Gaurav Gupta
This is such bullshit. They say that winners write history, which is true to a large extent, but you can’t use this as evidence to claim the bs you are putting out. Akbar did do some bad things, yes, but if you look at the later things he did, he celebrated Diwali, banned beef, held talks with religious scholars, allowed people to convert back to Hinduism if they were forcefully converted, and more. The Mughals were the winners in North India for hundreds of years but Babur, Humayun, Shah Jahan, Aurangzeb are not described the same way Akbar is. Before the Mughals, the Delhi Sultanate was in power and the atrocities and filthy remarks of Khilji are recorded in detail. If it is only winners who write history, why didn’t Khilji have this information withheld from the record? Akbar may not have even done this from the kindness of his heart but just as a show to convince people that he was tolerant (we will never be able to say with certainty) but the fact that he did do good things is proven.
这种说法真是荒谬。人们说胜利者书写历史，这在很大程度上是正确的，但你不能用这个作为证据来声称你所散布的无稽之谈。阿克巴确实做了一些坏事，是的，但如果你看看他后来做的事情，他庆祝排灯节，禁止食用牛肉，与宗教学者进行对话，允许人们在被强迫皈依的情况下改信印度教，等等。数百年来，莫卧儿王朝一直是北印度的赢家，但巴布尔、胡马雍、沙贾汗、奥朗则布没有像阿克巴那样被描述。在莫卧儿王朝之前，德里苏丹国掌握着权力，希尔吉（Khilji） 的暴行和恶言恶语都有详细记录。如果只有胜利者书写历史，为什么希尔吉的这些信息没有从记录中抹去？阿克巴这样做可能不是出于善意，只是为了让人们相信他是宽容的(我们永远无法肯定地说)，但事实证明他确实做了好事。
This is such bullshit. They say that winners write history, which is true to a large extent, but you can’t use this as evidence to claim the bs you are putting out. Akbar did do some bad things, yes, but if you look at the later things he did, he celebrated Diwali, banned beef, held talks with religious scholars, allowed people to convert back to Hinduism if they were forcefully converted, and more. The Mughals were the winners in North India for hundreds of years but Babur, Humayun, Shah Jahan, Aurangzeb are not described the same way Akbar is. Before the Mughals, the Delhi Sultanate was in power and the atrocities and filthy remarks of Khilji are recorded in detail. If it is only winners who write history, why didn’t Khilji have this information withheld from the record? Akbar may not have even done this from the kindness of his heart but just as a show to convince people that he was tolerant (we will never be able to say with certainty) but the fact that he did do good things is proven.
这种说法真是荒谬。人们说胜利者书写历史，这在很大程度上是正确的，但你不能用这个作为证据来声称你所散布的无稽之谈。阿克巴确实做了一些坏事，是的，但如果你看看他后来做的事情，他庆祝排灯节，禁止食用牛肉，与宗教学者进行对话，允许人们在被强迫皈依的情况下改信印度教，等等。数百年来，莫卧儿王朝一直是北印度的赢家，但巴布尔、胡马雍、沙贾汗、奥朗则布没有像阿克巴那样被描述。在莫卧儿王朝之前，德里苏丹国掌握着权力，希尔吉（Khilji） 的暴行和恶言恶语都有详细记录。如果只有胜利者书写历史，为什么希尔吉的这些信息没有从记录中抹去？阿克巴这样做可能不是出于善意，只是为了让人们相信他是宽容的(我们永远无法肯定地说)，但事实证明他确实做了好事。
Gaurav Pant
He killed many Hindus….. and some of the present day Muslims are following him , they will not think once before beheading Hindus when they become majority…. only way to stop them is to stay together as a force .
We are unlucky to have a leader like Chattrapati Shivaji Maharaj presently , who showed them their real place.
But we have got an advantage with the construction of Ram Mandir . Hindus are getting united slowly . We need to reclaim our temples ASAP bcoz Hinduism can only survive till the day we have our temples. These assholes harmed us in every way possible but not anymore .
他杀害了许多印度教徒……现今的一些穆斯林也在效仿他，当印度教徒占多数时，他们在斩首印度教徒之前不会三思....阻止他们的唯一方法就是团结一致。
不幸的是，我们现在有一个像查特拉帕蒂·希瓦吉·马哈拉杰这样的领导人，他让他们看到了自己的真实处境。
但我们有了罗摩神庙的建设这一优势。印度教徒正在慢慢团结起来。我们需要尽快收回我们的寺庙，因为只要我们有寺庙，印度教就能生存下去。这些混蛋千方百计地伤害我们，但现在不会了。
He killed many Hindus….. and some of the present day Muslims are following him , they will not think once before beheading Hindus when they become majority…. only way to stop them is to stay together as a force .
We are unlucky to have a leader like Chattrapati Shivaji Maharaj presently , who showed them their real place.
But we have got an advantage with the construction of Ram Mandir . Hindus are getting united slowly . We need to reclaim our temples ASAP bcoz Hinduism can only survive till the day we have our temples. These assholes harmed us in every way possible but not anymore .
他杀害了许多印度教徒……现今的一些穆斯林也在效仿他，当印度教徒占多数时，他们在斩首印度教徒之前不会三思....阻止他们的唯一方法就是团结一致。
不幸的是，我们现在有一个像查特拉帕蒂·希瓦吉·马哈拉杰这样的领导人，他让他们看到了自己的真实处境。
但我们有了罗摩神庙的建设这一优势。印度教徒正在慢慢团结起来。我们需要尽快收回我们的寺庙，因为只要我们有寺庙，印度教就能生存下去。这些混蛋千方百计地伤害我们，但现在不会了。
Srinivasan
None of the Mogals were secular in its true essense but the hypocretic meaning of it.
莫卧儿王朝都不是真正意义上的世俗，而是虚伪的世俗。
None of the Mogals were secular in its true essense but the hypocretic meaning of it.
莫卧儿王朝都不是真正意义上的世俗，而是虚伪的世俗。
Alok Choudhary
A lot of content in the indian history that we read today are fabricated or manipulated.
Forget about the history of mughal era or hindu kingdoms, we all know how these are presented to us.
It is important to have right information about the history because without that we can't build up a right opinion or ideology.
Even the history of independence struggle of India are presented in a wrong way to us. Recently, I came across a school history book where I saw a chapter about “Sir Syed khan” the founder of AMU.
The chapter was filled with the content talking about his reforms which he introduced in the education system of India and the chapter also talked about his contribution during independence struggle.
But if you do a little research about Sir Syed Khan, then you will find that it was Sir Syed Khan who thought about “Two nation theory”. He advocated for the separate nation for Muslims and later(AMU) backed separate Pakistan movement led by Mohammad Ali Jinnah. Most of us dont even know that he is widely called as “Architect of Two nation theory”. But we know “Sir Syed Khan” only as a great educator because our historians and so called intellectuals always presented him as a person who contributed very well in the sector of education.
We are being taught the one side of the history which impact us in a wrong way. Our present is the outcome of our history and we must know it without any blending.
我们今天读到的印度历史上的很多内容都是捏造或操纵的。
忘记莫卧儿时代或印度王国的历史吧，我们都知道这些是如何呈现给我们的。
掌握正确的历史信息很重要，因为没有这些信息，我们就无法建立正确的观点或意识形态。
甚至印度独立斗争的历史也以错误的方式呈现给我们。最近，我在一本学校历史书中看到了一章关于“锡尔·赛义德·汗”的内容，他是AMU(阿利加尔穆斯林大学)的创始人。
这一章充满了谈论他在印度教育系统中引入的改革的内容，这一章也谈到了他在独立斗争中的贡献。
但如果你稍微研究一下赛义德·汗爵士，你就会发现正是赛义德·汗爵士提出了"两国论"。他主张为穆斯林建立独立的国家，后来(AMU)支持穆罕默德·阿里·真纳领导的独立巴基斯坦运动。我们大多数人甚至不知道他被广泛称为“两个国家理论的建筑师”。但我们只知道赛义德·汗爵士是一位伟大的教育家，因为我们的历史学家和所谓的知识分子总是把他描绘成一个在教育领域做出巨大贡献的人。
我们被教导的是历史的一面，它以错误的方式影响着我们。我们的现在是我们历史的结果，我们必须不加任何混合地了解它。
A lot of content in the indian history that we read today are fabricated or manipulated.
Forget about the history of mughal era or hindu kingdoms, we all know how these are presented to us.
It is important to have right information about the history because without that we can't build up a right opinion or ideology.
Even the history of independence struggle of India are presented in a wrong way to us. Recently, I came across a school history book where I saw a chapter about “Sir Syed khan” the founder of AMU.
The chapter was filled with the content talking about his reforms which he introduced in the education system of India and the chapter also talked about his contribution during independence struggle.
But if you do a little research about Sir Syed Khan, then you will find that it was Sir Syed Khan who thought about “Two nation theory”. He advocated for the separate nation for Muslims and later(AMU) backed separate Pakistan movement led by Mohammad Ali Jinnah. Most of us dont even know that he is widely called as “Architect of Two nation theory”. But we know “Sir Syed Khan” only as a great educator because our historians and so called intellectuals always presented him as a person who contributed very well in the sector of education.
We are being taught the one side of the history which impact us in a wrong way. Our present is the outcome of our history and we must know it without any blending.
我们今天读到的印度历史上的很多内容都是捏造或操纵的。
忘记莫卧儿时代或印度王国的历史吧，我们都知道这些是如何呈现给我们的。
掌握正确的历史信息很重要，因为没有这些信息，我们就无法建立正确的观点或意识形态。
甚至印度独立斗争的历史也以错误的方式呈现给我们。最近，我在一本学校历史书中看到了一章关于“锡尔·赛义德·汗”的内容，他是AMU(阿利加尔穆斯林大学)的创始人。
这一章充满了谈论他在印度教育系统中引入的改革的内容，这一章也谈到了他在独立斗争中的贡献。
但如果你稍微研究一下赛义德·汗爵士，你就会发现正是赛义德·汗爵士提出了"两国论"。他主张为穆斯林建立独立的国家，后来(AMU)支持穆罕默德·阿里·真纳领导的独立巴基斯坦运动。我们大多数人甚至不知道他被广泛称为“两个国家理论的建筑师”。但我们只知道赛义德·汗爵士是一位伟大的教育家，因为我们的历史学家和所谓的知识分子总是把他描绘成一个在教育领域做出巨大贡献的人。
我们被教导的是历史的一面，它以错误的方式影响着我们。我们的现在是我们历史的结果，我们必须不加任何混合地了解它。
Akshay Jain
Highly distorted, let me explain you with a very popular example.
You all have known about well systems, i. e, untouchability and that dalits weren't allowed to use the wells used by Brahmins. This is a very good example of distorted history.
It is often written that Brahmins didn't allow dalits to touch their belongings or even their shadows. Also it is written that Brahmins never worked, always dalits did ‘begaar’(work for free) for them, but I have certain questions.
If dalits had dug the wells, then why did Brahmins used that well as things touched by dalits became untouchable?
If Brahmins themselves dig their own wells, then how is it possible that they never worked?
And if dalits did begar, then from where they got money to dig their own wells?
高度扭曲，让我用一个非常流行的例子来解释。
你们都知道水井制度，也就是贱民制度，贱民不允许使用婆罗门使用的水井。这是歪曲历史的一个很好的例子。
经常有这样的说法，婆罗门不允许贱民触摸他们的财物甚至他们的影子。也有报道称婆罗门从不工作，总是让贱民为他们免费“做苦工”，但我有几个问题。
如果是贱民挖的井，为什么婆罗门要用那口井，而贱民碰过的东西就变得不可碰了?
如果婆罗门自己挖井，那他们怎么可能从不工作呢?
如果贱民确实做苦役去了，那么他们从哪里得到钱来挖掘自己的井呢？
Highly distorted, let me explain you with a very popular example.
You all have known about well systems, i. e, untouchability and that dalits weren't allowed to use the wells used by Brahmins. This is a very good example of distorted history.
It is often written that Brahmins didn't allow dalits to touch their belongings or even their shadows. Also it is written that Brahmins never worked, always dalits did ‘begaar’(work for free) for them, but I have certain questions.
If dalits had dug the wells, then why did Brahmins used that well as things touched by dalits became untouchable?
If Brahmins themselves dig their own wells, then how is it possible that they never worked?
And if dalits did begar, then from where they got money to dig their own wells?
高度扭曲，让我用一个非常流行的例子来解释。
你们都知道水井制度，也就是贱民制度，贱民不允许使用婆罗门使用的水井。这是歪曲历史的一个很好的例子。
经常有这样的说法，婆罗门不允许贱民触摸他们的财物甚至他们的影子。也有报道称婆罗门从不工作，总是让贱民为他们免费“做苦工”，但我有几个问题。
如果是贱民挖的井，为什么婆罗门要用那口井，而贱民碰过的东西就变得不可碰了?
如果婆罗门自己挖井，那他们怎么可能从不工作呢?
如果贱民确实做苦役去了，那么他们从哪里得到钱来挖掘自己的井呢？
These questions remain unanswered because if history tought to us was correct, then there shouldn't be any ambiguity.
Now liberals will say that Brahmins used dalits for any task they wished. Please liberals don't say this down here.
And also don't bring in Shatriya and Baniya because according to history their task was totally different.
Being from Rajasthan I know that discrimination still prevails in the villages, but I here only want to highlight the misuse of the above points.
Anybody who wants to discuss this with an OPEN MIND can message me personally rather than writing it down in a comment.
Thanks,
这些问题仍然没有答案，因为如果历史告诉我们的是正确的，那么就不应该有任何歧义。
现在自由主义者会说婆罗门利用贱民做任何他们想做的事。请自由派不要在这里说这些。
也不要提刹帝利和吠舍，因为根据历史，他们的任务是完全不同的。
作为来自拉贾斯坦邦的人，我知道歧视在村庄里仍然普遍存在，但我在这里只想强调对上述观点的滥用。
任何愿意以开放的心态讨论这个问题的人可以直接给我发消息，而不是在评论中写出来。
谢谢
Now liberals will say that Brahmins used dalits for any task they wished. Please liberals don't say this down here.
And also don't bring in Shatriya and Baniya because according to history their task was totally different.
Being from Rajasthan I know that discrimination still prevails in the villages, but I here only want to highlight the misuse of the above points.
Anybody who wants to discuss this with an OPEN MIND can message me personally rather than writing it down in a comment.
Thanks,
这些问题仍然没有答案，因为如果历史告诉我们的是正确的，那么就不应该有任何歧义。
现在自由主义者会说婆罗门利用贱民做任何他们想做的事。请自由派不要在这里说这些。
也不要提刹帝利和吠舍，因为根据历史，他们的任务是完全不同的。
作为来自拉贾斯坦邦的人，我知道歧视在村庄里仍然普遍存在，但我在这里只想强调对上述观点的滥用。
任何愿意以开放的心态讨论这个问题的人可以直接给我发消息，而不是在评论中写出来。
谢谢
Vidyakant
Ruining of country can be done by two methods
By direct war, sending armed forces to destroy and loot the country. This will be not that much effective as victim country may have high moral values people and they can gain power. The example of this case is Japan. Country like Vietnam, Bangladesh etc were also affected by unwanted wars. But now they are developing, especially vietnam.
Second case is to destroy moral values, culture,language, etc. This has most severe effect. Erlier Britishers manipulated each and every history of India to rule over country. They make all indians to think that they are very low class people, all whites are superior than indians.
The famous history manipulated by Britishers is about war between Alexander and The Poras. They say that poras was defeated by Alexander but, Alexander having high moral values , showed mercy.
At that there were no such existing India or Bharat. The war was between two kings.
Alexander were not able to cross indus river.
Another tampering with history is that Aryans came to india from west .
Britishers did many things to destroy indians moral and they got succes also.
Now people think speaking english shows classy life style, watching emglish movie, tv serials, listning english song show high society life style.
Now in big malls, high class party people feel shame to speak in hindi. Very few adults remeber hindi alphabets but they remember english alphabets.
Love your language, learn your language, believe in true india history.
国家的毁灭可以通过两种方式来实现：
直接战争，派遣武装力量去摧毁和掠夺这个国家。这种方式不会太有效，因为受害国家可能有很高的道德价值观的人，他们能因此获得权力。这种情况的例子是日本。像越南、孟加拉国等国家也受到了不必要的战争的影响，但现在它们正在发展，尤其是越南。
第二种情况是破坏道德价值观、文化、语言等。这有最严重的影响。早期的英国人操纵了印度的每一段历史来统治这个国家。他们让所有印度人认为他们是非常低阶的人，所有白人都比印度人优越。
英国人篡改的著名历史是关于亚历山大和波拉斯之间的战争。他们说波罗斯被亚历山大打败了，但亚历山大有崇高的道德价值观，表现出仁慈。
那时候，并没有现存的印度或巴拉特，战争只是发生在两个国王之间。
亚历山大没能渡过印度河。
另一个篡改历史的是雅利安人从西方来到印度。
英国人做了很多事情来摧毁印度人的道德准则，他们也成功了。
现在人们认为说英语是上流社会的生活方式，看英语电影、电视剧，听英语歌曲是上流社会的生活方式。
现在，在大型商场里，上层政党人士羞于说印地语。很少有成年人记得印度语字母，但他们记得英语字母。
爱你的语言，学习你的语言，相信真正的印度历史。
Ruining of country can be done by two methods
By direct war, sending armed forces to destroy and loot the country. This will be not that much effective as victim country may have high moral values people and they can gain power. The example of this case is Japan. Country like Vietnam, Bangladesh etc were also affected by unwanted wars. But now they are developing, especially vietnam.
Second case is to destroy moral values, culture,language, etc. This has most severe effect. Erlier Britishers manipulated each and every history of India to rule over country. They make all indians to think that they are very low class people, all whites are superior than indians.
The famous history manipulated by Britishers is about war between Alexander and The Poras. They say that poras was defeated by Alexander but, Alexander having high moral values , showed mercy.
At that there were no such existing India or Bharat. The war was between two kings.
Alexander were not able to cross indus river.
Another tampering with history is that Aryans came to india from west .
Britishers did many things to destroy indians moral and they got succes also.
Now people think speaking english shows classy life style, watching emglish movie, tv serials, listning english song show high society life style.
Now in big malls, high class party people feel shame to speak in hindi. Very few adults remeber hindi alphabets but they remember english alphabets.
Love your language, learn your language, believe in true india history.
国家的毁灭可以通过两种方式来实现：
直接战争，派遣武装力量去摧毁和掠夺这个国家。这种方式不会太有效，因为受害国家可能有很高的道德价值观的人，他们能因此获得权力。这种情况的例子是日本。像越南、孟加拉国等国家也受到了不必要的战争的影响，但现在它们正在发展，尤其是越南。
第二种情况是破坏道德价值观、文化、语言等。这有最严重的影响。早期的英国人操纵了印度的每一段历史来统治这个国家。他们让所有印度人认为他们是非常低阶的人，所有白人都比印度人优越。
英国人篡改的著名历史是关于亚历山大和波拉斯之间的战争。他们说波罗斯被亚历山大打败了，但亚历山大有崇高的道德价值观，表现出仁慈。
那时候，并没有现存的印度或巴拉特，战争只是发生在两个国王之间。
亚历山大没能渡过印度河。
另一个篡改历史的是雅利安人从西方来到印度。
英国人做了很多事情来摧毁印度人的道德准则，他们也成功了。
现在人们认为说英语是上流社会的生活方式，看英语电影、电视剧，听英语歌曲是上流社会的生活方式。
现在，在大型商场里，上层政党人士羞于说印地语。很少有成年人记得印度语字母，但他们记得英语字母。
爱你的语言，学习你的语言，相信真正的印度历史。
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